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paf-digest Monday, February 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 009
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[PAF] Surname Problem and ABT EST & CAL
[PAF] cascading charts printing problem, positive integer
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:20:50 -0700
From: "Thomas D. Sevy" <sevy99@deseretonline.com>
Subject: [PAF] Surname Problem and ABT EST & CAL
John Carruthers idea of putting an exclamation point (!) in front of
surnames with various spellings is a great idea. As he said, it would
put Seavey Seavy Sevey Sevy all at the top of the alphabetical
listing. He then explained how to get rid of the exclamation point in
a Temple Ready or any other GEDCOM file. First open the file using a
word processor; then Search and Replace the ! with nothing. All that
I understand. I have a question. What format do you use to resave
the file. Do you save it as an ASCII file, or some other format? I
know that it can't be a Word Perfect or MS Word file.
John also commented on my previous posting about abbreviations with
dates. Here's a little better explanation of my ideas.
Unfortunately, PAF4 HELP doesn't really define the date abbreviations.
BEF (before) and AFT (after) are obvious. That leaves us with ABT,
EST and CAL. Many PAF4 users don't know about the addition of CAL
(calculated). This is new in PAF4. John suggested the following:
when you have a death date and year at death, for example: age 18 in
1850 census, you do a simple calculation and put EST 1832. The new
CAL is provided exactly for this situation. I have started using the
CAL so that anyone looking at the data will know that it was
"calculated" using a known date and a known age. This leaves us with
EST and ABT. I had wondered about the difference between these two
words. Since HELP doesn't "help", I went to the dictionary to see how
these two words differ. Here's what I found in Webster's Collegiate
Dictionary, Tenth Edition: ABOUT: "reasonably close to."
ESTIMATED: "a rough or approximated calculation" followed by a second
definition: "a rough or approximate calculation obtained from a
statistical sample." (In other words, someone in the Family History
Department looked at thousands of marriages and births, and then
calculated the average age when the folks were married and how much
later they had children.) From these dictionary definitions it seemed
that it is most reasonable to use EST when you use the general rules
that: males marry at age 25, females marry at age 21, the first child
is born one year later and subsequent children are born every two
years. (These are directly from PAF4 HELP Abbreviations) The rules
came from genealogical research to come up with a statistical average
age for marriage and births. (See the two definitions of "estimated"
a few lines above.) Therefore, I thought it would be appropriate to
use EST for "guesses" based on calculations using actual statistical
averages, and to use ABT for dates that seem to be reasonable
"guesses" that are NOT based on either an actual date and age (age 8
in 1850 census = CAL 1842) and are NOT based on a statistical average
age. Using the rule of males marry, on the average, at age 25, if
George was born in 1850, his marriage date would be EST 1875.
It is important to be aware that using these "averages" can be WAY
off. Maybe George didn't get married until he was 60 years old. But,
at least an "estimated" date is based on one real date and a standard
age or number of years. (In NOTES I'd explain the basis for all:
before, after, calculated, estimated and about dates.) I use ABT
(about) as a "best guess" when I have no known date from which to
either "estimate" or "calculate". I've been struggling with this,
so I'd be interested to hear if this makes any sense to others.
Tom Sevy
"Isn't genealogy fun? The answer to one problem leads to two or three
more!"
Thomas D. Sevy, MSW, LCSW
Grantsmanship Consultant
1617 W. Shenandoah Circle
Salt Lake City, Utah 84123
801-264-9748
sevy99@deseretonline.com
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:32:35 -0800
> From: "John Carruthers" <Bracky@telus.net>
> Subject: [PAF] Re: Solutions to two problems
>
> In my opinion the surname field should use the exact spelling
that the
> person himself used. My surname is spelled Carruthers but my
relatives in
> Ireland spell the name Carrothers. These are not alternate spellings
but
> actual surnames. My immigrant ancestor was in 5 censuses and was
married
> twice but his name was never once spelled the same way by the
persons making
> the records. Of course he was illiterate and couldn't advise or
correct the
> person making the record. As a general rule the farther back you go
the more
> likely the spelling was simply phonetic. I make mention of how my
ancestors'
> name was spelled in these records in my Sources and Notes but in the
surname
> field he always stays as Carruthers.
> If you really want to group them in the alphabetical list of
names just
> put " ! " in front of each name. They will then sort at the top of
your
> alphabetical list as in !Seavey !Seavy !Sevey !Sevy and
!Zeavie. The "
> ! " can easily be taken out by doing a GEDCOM out, opening the
GEDCOM in a
> Word Processor like Notepad or Wordpad, doing a Search and Replace
to get
> rid of the " ! ", and then do a GEDCOM in.
> With regard to missing dates. The term ABT should never be
misleading.
> It is **always** construed as the best guess, by the compiler of the
family
> tree, as to the year of the event, given whatever information he has
at
> hand. It is better than nothing and will at least differentiate
between the
> Tom Sevy born about 1640 and the Tom Sevy born about 1945. For
example if I
> know the groom was born in 1900, I subtract 5 years and say the
bride was
> born ABT 1895. This is pretty wild guessing but more often than not
it
> proves to be in the ball park. The term EST is different. It means
you
> have calculated the year knowing two pieces of factual information.
If he
> died 1 Jan 2000 aged 80 then you give his DOB as EST 1920. This
could be off
> by one year either side. Similarly if the12 Jun 1841 census says he
was 5
> years old then you give his DOB as EST 1836. Again this could by off
one
> year either side.
>
> > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:12:29 -0700
> > From: "Thomas D. Sevy" <sevy99@deseretonline.com>
> > Subject: [PAF] Solutions to two problems
> >
> > One of my problems is that my surname is spelled several different
> > ways: Zeavie, Seavey, Seavy, Sevey, Sevy
>
> > Another problem is what to do when you don't know a date of birth.
>
> > Tom Sevy in Taylorsville, Utah -- The sleeves on my family Coat of
> > Arms cross in front and tie in back.....is that normal?
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:32:20 +0200
> From: Ed Rogers <Zulander@netsonic.fi>
> Subject: [PAF] [Fwd: Returned mail: Service unavailable]
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> Subject:
> Re: [FMA] kotikalja
> Date:
> Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:20:38 -0600
> From:
> Donald B Pratt <dbp@iastate.edu>
> To:
> fma@innernet.org
> References:
> 1
>
>
>
> >I'm sorry. I promise never to mention cookbooks again. Please
> >don't leave!
> >
> >rich
>
> I, however, made no such promises.
>
> Since we've stumbled onto my favorite subject (almost anything
culinary)
> does anyone out there have any good recipes for Finnish bread? I am
> particularly interested in a recipe for that wonderful dark (nearly
> black)
> sourdough rye that comes in the large ring shape (reikaleipa I
think)?
> I
> remember it being very moist and very good, and this from a man who
> hates
> almost anything sourdough.
>
> I would also love a good recipe for fish soup. Sisar Valta
> (Varkaudesta)
> fed us the most wonderful fish soup with a milk and potato base.
The
> surprising thing was I think she left the bones in the fish. Does
> anyone
> know how that works?
>
> I have had great success doing Finnish dinner parties for my
friends.
> The
> menu usually includes meatballs and potatoes (tietysti), rye bread
(I
> have
> good ruisleippa and limppu recipes that seem to taste approximately
> right),
> nakkileippa, edam cheese, and toskakakku. I have even found that
> Americans
> like kiiselli (you can find perunajauho labeled as potato starch in
many
> supermarkets with a Kosher section, or sometimes right next to the
corn
> starch or flour). Menus and recipes available on request.
>
> I am willing to trade recipes with anyone. What does the collective
> entity
> known as the FMA think about flooding the group with recipes? If we
> decide
> against it, please email recipes to me privately.
>
> Donald Pratt
> '89-91
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> From: Donald B Pratt <dbp@iastate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [FMA] kotikalja
>
> >I'm sorry. I promise never to mention cookbooks again. Please
> >don't leave!
> >
> >rich
>
> I, however, made no such promises.
>
> Since we've stumbled onto my favorite subject (almost anything
culinary)
> does anyone out there have any good recipes for Finnish bread? I am
> particularly interested in a recipe for that wonderful dark (nearly
black)
> sourdough rye that comes in the large ring shape (reikaleipa I
think)? I
> remember it being very moist and very good, and this from a man who
hates
> almost anything sourdough.
>
> I would also love a good recipe for fish soup. Sisar Valta
(Varkaudesta)
> fed us the most wonderful fish soup with a milk and potato base.
The
> surprising thing was I think she left the bones in the fish. Does
anyone
> know how that works?
>
> I have had great success doing Finnish dinner parties for my
friends. The
> menu usually includes meatballs and potatoes (tietysti), rye bread
(I have
> good ruisleippa and limppu recipes that seem to taste approximately
right),
> nakkileippa, edam cheese, and toskakakku. I have even found that
Americans
> like kiiselli (you can find perunajauho labeled as potato starch in
many
> supermarkets with a Kosher section, or sometimes right next to the
corn
> starch or flour). Menus and recipes available on request.
>
> I am willing to trade recipes with anyone. What does the collective
entity
> known as the FMA think about flooding the group with recipes? If we
decide
> against it, please email recipes to me privately.
>
> Donald Pratt
> '89-91
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:36:26 +0200
> From: Ed Rogers <Zulander@netsonic.fi>
> Subject: Re: [PAF] [Fwd: Returned mail: Service unavailable]
>
> Oops! Sent to the wrong list. Sorry :)
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> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:56:27 -0700
> From: "Thomas D. Sevy" <sevy99@deseretonline.com>
> Subject: [PAF] Saving Great Ideas
>
> I have a digest subscription, so I get from three to a dozen or more
> messages at one time. Frequently I see messages that I want to
keep,
> but I don't want to keep the whole digest. I finally solved this by
> creating a file in my word processor named "emposts.100". (emposts
> should be obvious, "100" means first month of the year 00. I'd use
> *.a00 for october, b00 for november and .c00 for december). Now,
when
> I see a message I want to keep, I highlight and copy (or CTRL-C),
then
> open my emposts.100 in my word processor, paste it in (or CTRL-V)
and
> I've got it. Then I'll know approximately where it is to find it
> later, or at the end of each month I'll review the saved messages,
> delete those I don't still want, and print & file or organize or
save
> the rest for future reference. I lost a lot of great ideas until I
> started this.
>
> Tom Sevy
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:10:35 -0600
From: Dave Hinz <dhinz@execpc.com>
Subject: [PAF] cascading charts printing problem, positive integer
Greetings. I couldn't find a FAQ or an archive for this list, so
if there is one which answers my question, a pointer would be
great. I'm new to the PAF mailing list, but not to computers
or genealogy, and I've been using PAF 4.0x for about 6 months.
Here's the problem:
I've got a Windows98 machine, which is giving me a frustrating problem,
and I am unable to print cascading pedigree charts. All other functions
of PAF that I've tried work just fine, just not the cascading charts.
When I go to Print, select "pedigree", and click on "cascading",
any number that I enter into "Number of generations to print", I
get "Please enter a positive integer".
I suspect that I have a corrupted DLL somewhere, but am at a loss as to
how to diagnose and/or fix it. I had hoped that re-installation of
PAF would do it, but no joy.
What I've done:
Re-installed PAF 4.03
Downloaded & installed PAF 4.04 successfully
Asked Windows to re-install itself, it re-wrote many DLLs but still does
not help.
I would be very happy to have any suggestions on this.
Thanks,
Dave Hinz
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