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paf-digest Tuesday, January 12 1999 Volume 1998 : Number 079
In this issue:
[PAF] Re:GEDCOM
[PAF] Re:GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
[PAF] Re. PAF and other commercial programmes.
Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM
Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM
[PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
Re: [PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
[PAF] Re: GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
RE: [PAF] Submission from [Kay & Velda Welton <wv001@cvip.fresno. com>]]
Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
Re: [PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
Re: [PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:54:53 EST
From: OBRoots@aol.com
Subject: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM
I am thinking what I am about to ask has already been asked, back in
November/December but since I just moved from the West Coast to Indiana, I
cannot yet/still find anything! My problem/question relates to a GEDCOM:
When I make a PAF GEDCOM to send to someone, (who probably does not have PAF
as most of those I am in contact with have FTM) how can they "convert" the
GEDCOM to be able to read it as it should be read? It seems when it is
opened, it is a long list of my data and one cannot tell who belongs to whom
or what it is they are reading - why does it not come up in a
readable/understandable form for someone not familiar w/my families to
read/understand ? (Know what I mean? - I am not sure how to explain this)
How do I send my data from PAF to someone else w/o doing a GEDCOM or is it not
possible to do so from PAF?
Olive Hoffman
OBRoots@aol.com & ohoffman@Juno.com
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:39:16 +0200
From: Ed Rogers <zulander@netsonic.fi>
Subject: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
- -------- Original Message --------
That is why you put it into GEDCOM format. I have not seen a genealogy
program for many years which cannot reat the GEDCOM format since it is
the
universal standard for genealogy programs like ASCII is universal for
text
files. Regards John Totten
- -----Original Message-----
From: OBRoots@aol.com <OBRoots@aol.com>
To: paf@innernet.org <paf@innernet.org>
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 5:07 PM
Subject: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM
>I am thinking what I am about to ask has already been asked, back in
>November/December but since I just moved from the West Coast to Indiana, I
>cannot yet/still find anything! My problem/question relates to a GEDCOM:
>
>When I make a PAF GEDCOM to send to someone, (who probably does not have
PAF
>as most of those I am in contact with have FTM) how can they "convert" the
>GEDCOM to be able to read it as it should be read? It seems when it is
>opened, it is a long list of my data and one cannot tell who belongs to
whom
>or what it is they are reading - why does it not come up in a
>readable/understandable form for someone not familiar w/my families to
>read/understand ? (Know what I mean? - I am not sure how to explain
this)
>How do I send my data from PAF to someone else w/o doing a GEDCOM or is it
not
>possible to do so from PAF?
>
>Olive Hoffman
>OBRoots@aol.com & ohoffman@Juno.com
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:36:01 +0000
From: Fred MacKay <fmackay@bigfoot.com>
Subject: [PAF] Re. PAF and other commercial programmes.
Hi! There Folks,
I saw in this last digest several questions as to what other programmes
are compatible for submitting temple work.
The Church isn't in the true 'commercial' sense a commercial company,
and designed and sells PAF and Companion specifically for its members to
submit temple work, from their records.
However, they do rightly say that this programme isn't the only
programme, which allows the submission of files for temple work.
Does anyone expect the church to recommend any other programme against
any other one, when the church will not allow any commercial promotions
within a church building?
After all, the church hasn't at any time said that one has to own a
computer, when it provides a FHC with a computer where a member can
complete files for temple work.
If one wishes another programme other than PAF, then 'search and you
will find'.
Best wishes,
Fred MacKay.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:47:02 EST
From: ValriGibbs@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM
In a message dated 1/9/99 7:56:52 PM, OBRoots@aol.com wrote:
>When I make a PAF GEDCOM to send to someone, (who probably does not have PAF
>as most of those I am in contact with have FTM) how can they "convert" the
>GEDCOM to be able to read it as it should be read? It seems when it is
>opened, it is a long list of my data and one cannot tell who belongs to whom
>or what it is they are reading - why does it not come up in a
>readable/understandable form for someone not familiar w/my families to
>read/understand ? (Know what I mean? - I am not sure how to explain this)
>How do I send my data from PAF to someone else w/o doing a GEDCOM or is it
not
>possible to do so from PAF?
I think the recipients of your GEDCOM files are making the mistake of
"opening" your GEDCOM files. Have them "import" the GEDCOM file into a new
empty file created by whichever program they're using. I'm a Mac user, but the
theory is the same. Keep in mind, though, that some fields in a program may
not import properly into another program, if the receiving program doesn't
recognize those fields. If this is the case, the receiving program may dump
the data into a miscellaneous note field, or it may just ignore it. PAF into
FTM probably will be OK, but the reverse may not.
By the way, if a recipient does not have a genealogy program but _just_ wants
to _read_ your GEDCOM file, on their computer, in a format that is easier to
read, they probably can get a program that will convert your GEDCOM to this
format. Mac users have a program called GEDTransfer (? free or shareware) that
will do this with a GEDCOM file created by MacPAF. They won't be able to
manipulate the data, but the data will be easier to read.
Hope this helps,
Valerie Gibbs (Capital PAF Users' Group, Kensington, MD)
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:47:02 EST
From: ValriGibbs@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM
In a message dated 1/9/99 7:56:52 PM, OBRoots@aol.com wrote:
>When I make a PAF GEDCOM to send to someone, (who probably does not have PAF
>as most of those I am in contact with have FTM) how can they "convert" the
>GEDCOM to be able to read it as it should be read? It seems when it is
>opened, it is a long list of my data and one cannot tell who belongs to whom
>or what it is they are reading - why does it not come up in a
>readable/understandable form for someone not familiar w/my families to
>read/understand ? (Know what I mean? - I am not sure how to explain this)
>How do I send my data from PAF to someone else w/o doing a GEDCOM or is it
not
>possible to do so from PAF?
I think the recipients of your GEDCOM files are making the mistake of
"opening" your GEDCOM files. Have them "import" the GEDCOM file into a new
empty file created by whichever program they're using. I'm a Mac user, but the
theory is the same. Keep in mind, though, that some fields in a program may
not import properly into another program, if the receiving program doesn't
recognize those fields. If this is the case, the receiving program may dump
the data into a miscellaneous note field, or it may just ignore it. PAF into
FTM probably will be OK, but the reverse may not.
By the way, if a recipient does not have a genealogy program but _just_ wants
to _read_ your GEDCOM file, on their computer, in a format that is easier to
read, they probably can get a program that will convert your GEDCOM to this
format. Mac users have a program called GEDTransfer (? free or shareware) that
will do this with a GEDCOM file created by MacPAF. They won't be able to
manipulate the data, but the data will be easier to read.
Hope this helps,
Valerie Gibbs (Capital PAF Users' Group, Kensington, MD)
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:37:08 -0600
From: Eleanor Collins <collins@todays-tech.com>
Subject: [PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
Have my husbands family on my paf file and would like to transfer just
those individuals that belong to him to his own file making it easier to
work for us both. Is there a way to do this or must I re-enter these
individuals on his file?
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:05:16 -0600
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: Re: [PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:37:08 -0600 Eleanor Collins
<collins@todays-tech.com> writes:
>Have my husbands family on my paf file and would like to transfer just
those individuals that belong to him to his own file making it easier to
work for us both. Is there a way to do this or must I re-enter
these>individuals on his file?
**********
Just make a Gedom from his line starting with his RIN number. save the
Gedcom file. Then turn around to import his file in using a different
directory folder name or surname to make a new database. It's that
simple to do and maybe easier to do two separate files.
I know of one person who kept 4 files of genealogy. One for each of his
granparents. Apparently he had a huge file that he want to separate
lineages. It's nice to have, but maybea headache to do to keep track of
who is in which database, especially if one has double lineages in a
family once you get back so far, when times and place permited a lot of
first or second cousins to marry (thus having double lineages).
Hope this helps.
Tom
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:52:41 -0800
From: rlhgen@juno.com (Richard L Hallliday)
Subject: [PAF] Re: GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
>That is why you put it into GEDCOM format. I have not seen a genealogy
>program for many years which cannot reat the GEDCOM format since it is
the
>universal standard for genealogy programs like ASCII is universal for
text
>files. Regards John Totten
>
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One of my favorite lines from any book is from George Orwell's Animal
Farm. The idea was that the animals would take over the farm from the
greedy and inconsiderate humans and run it for the benefit of the
animals. All the animals were to be equal. In one scene one of the
pigs, who are the most intelligent of the barnyard animals, is seen
changing one of their articles of incorporation from "All animals are
equal" to "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".
About GEDCOM files. There are several GEDCOM file standards. The
current one is Version 5.5. Its predecessor is Version 4.x (I forget the
exact version number). Unfortunately, it is apparent that not all
genealogical programs produce a GEDCOM file which is fully compliant with
the current standard. At least one of them rushed to implement the
interim version of 5.3. That version was put out to the industry for
comment. Some of those comments were incorporated in the final version
of 5.5. One program advertised that it incorporated some of its own
innovations in its version of a GEDCOM file which, of course, made it
non-standard.
A second problem is that is not easy to produce a fully compliant
GEDCOM file even when that is intended. The result is that a GEDCOM file
from one program can cause another program to crash. Just incidentally,
twice I have seen PAF 2.31 used to sanitize (i.e., correct a problem in)
a GEDCOM file version 4.x. A GEDCOM file which caused PAF 3.0 to crash
was imported into PAF 2.31. PAF 2.31 was then used to generate a new
GEDCOM file which was imported into PAF 3.0 without any problems. I
never did find out what the problem was.
Some of the improvements from GEDCOM version 4.x to 5.5 are:
diacritics, very long names and source documentation.
Richard L. Halliday
rhaldy@juno.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:51:25 -0700
From: "Tucker, Mark (ZB1076)" <ZB1076@apsc.com>
Subject: RE: [PAF] Submission from [Kay & Velda Welton <wv001@cvip.fresno. com>]]
I live in Arizona, but would be interesting in being a part of that
list.
Mark Tucker
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ed Rogers [mailto:zulander@netsonic.fi]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:46 PM
To: paf@innernet.org
Subject: [PAF] Submission from [Kay & Velda Welton
<wv001@cvip.fresno.com>]]
Are you in California? I am making a list of CA consultants in hopes
they
can message each other.
I am getting a larger drive on which I hope to download the various
demo's
that are on the net that are PAF compatible.
I have PAF 3.0 and 2.31, Mac PAF and I basically work in Family Origins
7.
These are all quite inexpensive and I find FO very easy to understand
and
use.PAF is designed without extras for people who have less powerful
computers. The basic Family Tree Maker is inexpensive too, but rapidly
ascends in price as you add data disks.
At 02:13 PM 1/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I am a Ward Family History Consultant with extensive background in
>computers. The official family history software is PAF, but "A
Member's
>Guide to Temple and Family History" indicates that other programs
>besides PAF can be used to store your family history and submit it for
>temple work using TempleReady. I contacted the Mesa Family History
>Center, but they don't have a list of these programs. There is an
>address to send for the list, but I was hoping to get a quick response
>so that I can deal with the questions that I am getting. Can you send
>me a copy of both the Windows and Mac programs that can be used instead
>of PAF?
>
>Mark Tucker
>mtucker@iname.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:44:18 -0800
From: Kay & Velda Welton <wv001@cvip.fresno.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
I am having the same problem in trying to open a GEDCOC sent to me by
email. It does not matter what program made the GEDCOM if it arrives in
that format as an attachent that is a separate document that ends in .GED,
but the people who send them (at least from AOL) do something that makes it
arrive in the text form that PAF will not recognize. Any solutions?
>>When I make a PAF GEDCOM to send to someone, (who probably does not have
>PAF
>>as most of those I am in contact with have FTM) how can they "convert" the
>>GEDCOM to be able to read it as it should be read? It seems when it is
>>opened, it is a long list of my data and one cannot tell who belongs to
>whom
>>or what it is they are reading - why does it not come up in a
>>readable/understandable form for someone not familiar w/my families to
>>read/understand ? (Know what I mean? - I am not sure how to explain
>this)
>>How do I send my data from PAF to someone else w/o doing a GEDCOM or is it
>not
>>possible to do so from PAF?
>>
>>Olive Hoffman
>>OBRoots@aol.com & ohoffman@Juno.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:27 -0800
From: Kay & Velda Welton <wv001@cvip.fresno.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
Export (GEDCOM) from your husband's name to include all his lines and open
in a new file into which you import. Do the same with yours. You can always
put them back together by exporting-importing and merging.
At 12:37 PM 1/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Have my husbands family on my paf file and would like to transfer just
>those individuals that belong to him to his own file making it easier to
>work for us both. Is there a way to do this or must I re-enter these
>individuals on his file?
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:18:31 -0600
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: Re: [PAF] Re:GEDCOM Submission from ["John Totten" <john.totten2@gte.net>]]
They are sending it to you in rich text format. Whoever sends you a
GEDCOM, tell them it has to be in MS DOS text format, not the program
like Word or WordPerfect It saves the file in it own text format if you
don't save it in rich text format. A lot of people misread that once a
person opens the file.
GED files are in straight DOS text format. If a file is too big for
notepad you can view it in Writepad. Remember if you make any changes
save it in DOS Text format, not the one it highlight.
One rule of thumb in sending GEDCOM files. If you don't compress it using
a utility like WINZIP or PKZIP and save the file in ZIP format, you won't
have to worry about the text changing on you. the receiver can then use
the same program to decompress ZIP files.
Otherwise if you send it as it is, sometimes other browsers viewer will
view it as a text file along with the normal message. When you receive a
GEDCOM zipped file just click on it and the browser will ask you if you
want to save the file elsewhere (like a temp folder, or some folder you
know where to find it).
If you must transfer GEDCOM's by e-mail, Compress them in ZIP format (it
is less to transfer in time, for example if a file is 1MB can be done
compressed as 500KB. That's near 50% less and would not clog one's
emailbox. Some services restrict a file limit size of a message to about
500KB.
One sure way to find out if you are sending the correct file, do a small
GEDCOM file to export. then save it in a ZIP format using WINZIP or
PKZIP. Next send a message to yourself with the file attachment of the
GEDCOM. Then wait a few minutes, and if you have mail retrieve and see if
it works.
That would be the best lesson in finding out how to e-mail them. Now, if
you want to view the GEDCOM before adding to ones data folder, check it
with Notepad or a word processor (or Writepad would do). Now go practice
and see if you did right. If you did you can then teach someone else the
fine etiquette of doing a GEDCOM and file attachment.
Just my 5¢ worth to save someone else the headache trouble. Just to let
you know, I had 2 or 3 people over the last year who didn't follow
through on file attachments when I was suppose to receive them, and told
them the above lesson and have them resend it again. It works the 2nd
time around with out any problem.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:41:23 -0600
From: Eleanor Collins <collins@todays-tech.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Transferring individuals to another file possible?
I guess I miscommunicated....how do I tag just those names that belong to him
from my file to send (export)?
Kay & Velda Welton wrote:
> Export (GEDCOM) from your husband's name to include all his lines and open
> in a new file into which you import. Do the same with yours. You can always
> put them back together by exporting-importing and merging.
>
> At 12:37 PM 1/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >Have my husbands family on my paf file and would like to transfer just
> >those individuals that belong to him to his own file making it easier to
> >work for us both. Is there a way to do this or must I re-enter these
> >individuals on his file?
> >
>
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