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paf-digest Monday, November 23 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 067
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[PAF] PAF Suggestion
Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
[PAF] Need PAF help!
Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
Re: [PAF] Paf in a Window
[PAF] Christmas is coming
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:32:58 -0800
From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
Subject: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
I've got a suggestion folks, for a future release of PAF.
Let me know if this is a good idea or not.
I use PAF 3.0 on a database with over 24,000 names in it. I
find that occasionally after importing a GEDCOM file I like
to run the Match/Merge feature. My problem is, every time I
run Match/Merge, I have to wade through hundreds of
potential matches that I have already long decided do not
match in order to get to the new ones I am interested in.
Could there not be some way of "marking" a potential match
as "Already Reviewed" so that it does not show up again on a
future match session? As it stands now, I have to spend
about five hours wading through the same potential matches
every time I import a necessary file. Isn't there an easier
way to do this? When you occasionally import hundreds of
new lines at a time like I do, it is impossible to
selectively choose which individuals to import from so many.
I think the ability to mark a match as "Already Reviewed"
would be a very handy feature.
What do you folks think?
Robert
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:17:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
Well, the first thing I think is that you're a brave brave man to have
24,000 people in PAF3. (g)
Your apparent willingness to import hundreds of lines (surely you mean
NAMES?!?) at a time is also astonishing bravery.
However, to address your problem, I doubt that the number of PAF users
affected would be great enough to make it worth the effort of programming it.
The following contains fictious names and situations for illustration only.
Remember, each *pair* of names would have to be tagged AS A PAIR. You
couldn't tag one of the dozen Bill Martine entries without risking
missing a future match with info you didn't have. You'd have to tag Pair
#1 as individual members of a pair, then Pair #2 as individual members of
a pair, creating (I think, off the top of my head) a dozen tags for each
Bill Martine.
As a programming exercise, it has merit, but the percentage of users who
would benefit from it must surely be low.
What *I* wish they would do is fix the algorithm so it doesn't offer to
match Bill Harm!son who died in 1845 with the one born in 1851 when EACH
has a full set of parents. (Actually, fixing the algorithm might take
care of your problem too. All they'd have to do is add a couple
checkpoints -- such a death dates. No one has more than one discrete
individual who happen to be born the same year and die the same year.
Not even my Bills or Cresap men managed that one!)
Cheryl
On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Rob & Heather Williams wrote:
> I've got a suggestion folks, for a future release of PAF.
> Let me know if this is a good idea or not.
>
> I use PAF 3.0 on a database with over 24,000 names in it. I
> find that occasionally after importing a GEDCOM file I like
> to run the Match/Merge feature. My problem is, every time I
> run Match/Merge, I have to wade through hundreds of
> potential matches that I have already long decided do not
> match in order to get to the new ones I am interested in.
>
> Could there not be some way of "marking" a potential match
> as "Already Reviewed" so that it does not show up again on a
> future match session? As it stands now, I have to spend
> about five hours wading through the same potential matches
> every time I import a necessary file. Isn't there an easier
> way to do this? When you occasionally import hundreds of
> new lines at a time like I do, it is impossible to
> selectively choose which individuals to import from so many.
>
> I think the ability to mark a match as "Already Reviewed"
> would be a very handy feature.
>
> What do you folks think?
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:27:23 -0700
From: "Mark E. Gower" <famlyman@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
PAF Users:
Rob and Heather have an excellent idea, and I do not want to rain on
their parade, but ... It would seem that the software writers are
limited to the features that their bosses want and not the end users.
This is way the problems with PAF 3.0m are not going to be fixed-- they
think it work just fine. You have to understand that the program works
fine in their limited test applications so it must work fine for
everyone. The only problem is that we, the end users, have other things
going on with our computers or our data and that adds a new dimension to
the equation. It's called 2 dimensional thinking and we want 3
dimensional programs.
Instead of creating a new pointer for previously matched records that
are not merged-- the new selection should be to match/merge on recently
imported file(s), since the program does know what RINS were recently
added (I thought it did)!
Let's keep refining this feature and then we will collectively submit
the request to the proper person that is actually making the decisions.
OK?
If any one has access to the code and knows 'C' maybe we could have some
sample code pre-written for them.
I am convinced that the Personal Ancestral File program can be better,
if we can work together at it. After all, I have a vested interest in
the software with a 100,000 name database and an ever increasing problem
of how to clean it up!
And Cheryl--
If they would just check the relationships of the two individuals so
that father and son with the same name are not matched-- though it is
possible to have mis-entered the information twice and linked a person
to himself with different RINS. I find it a problem when the match for
AFN does not merge a record with no name with someone with a name but
same AFN.
Time to get off my soapbox!
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Professional Family History Research.
M.E. GOWER ENTERPRISES
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:24:40 -0800
From: "John J. Totten" <jjtotte@california.sandia.gov>
Subject: Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
Mark E. Gower wrote:
>
> PAF Users:
>
> Rob and Heather have an excellent idea, and I do not want to rain on
> their parade, but ... It would seem that the software writers are
> limited to the features that their bosses want and not the end users.
> This is way the problems with PAF 3.0m are not going to be fixed-- they
> think it work just fine. You have to understand that the program works
> fine in their limited test applications so it must work fine for
> everyone. The only problem is that we, the end users, have other things
> going on with our computers or our data and that adds a new dimension to
> the equation. It's called 2 dimensional thinking and we want 3
> dimensional programs.
>
> Instead of creating a new pointer for previously matched records that
> are not merged-- the new selection should be to match/merge on recently
> imported file(s), since the program does know what RINS were recently
> added (I thought it did)!
>
> Let's keep refining this feature and then we will collectively submit
> the request to the proper person that is actually making the decisions.
> OK?
> If any one has access to the code and knows 'C' maybe we could have some
> sample code pre-written for them.
>
> I am convinced that the Personal Ancestral File program can be better,
> if we can work together at it. After all, I have a vested interest in
> the software with a 100,000 name database and an ever increasing problem
> of how to clean it up!
>
> And Cheryl--
>
> If they would just check the relationships of the two individuals so
> that father and son with the same name are not matched-- though it is
> possible to have mis-entered the information twice and linked a person
> to himself with different RINS. I find it a problem when the match for
> AFN does not merge a record with no name with someone with a name but
> same AFN.
>
> Time to get off my soapbox!
> --
> Mark E. Gower,
> Professional Family History Research.
> M.E. GOWER ENTERPRISES
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PAF Users:
All software has to be written to some specification which is outlined
before the project is started and so decisions as to what is going to be
included in the features has to be decided by a project leader at the
beginning of the project. The number of features to be included is
driven by time and money. Each team member is given some portion of the
project and when they get their portion completed it is tied into the
rest of the projects. When they are all assembled the program goes into
a Bata test mode and users put it to the test and see what they can to
do break it. As the bug are fixed additional features are considered
and based on the limiting factors cited previously and a decision is
made whether or not to include them in the Beta version or the next
issue of the project. There is no way to find all the "bugs" in a
program unless it is very simple and so even after Bata test some
errors, but not all, are fixed and the program is blessed for
distribution. An example of the process is Windows 95. Even after Bata
test was completed there were many problems found by users and Bata
testers so Microsoft issued a service pack for the 1st version. Even
that didn't correct all the problems and so a second version was
issued. It was not an upgrade path however and only came on new
machines. It did include all the fixes for the 1st version and some
additional fixes. Then the next step in the process was Windows 98 and
more than 3,000 bugs were fixed in the 3rd issue but again not all of
them were fixed and some new ones may have been introduced hence there
will probably be a service pack provided for Windows 98 also.
The whole process is one of refining what the users suggest and what
those involved in the project decide to include, based again on time and
money. For the $35 cost of the program it is great but I expect to see
the process continue to improve the package then users will suggest even
more features that they would like to have included. So it appears that
patience is a good path to take. I like the suggestion that those
literate in "C" actually produce some code, but that has some challenges
too since I don't believe that the source code has been released and it
really takes some effort to reverse engineer even a simple program like
PAF.
Just some ideas for consideration. PAF, I love it and dollar for
dollar it can't be beat.
John Totten
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:30:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, John J. Totten wrote:
> Mark E. Gower wrote:
> >
> > PAF Users:
> >
> > Rob and Heather have an excellent idea, and I do not want to rain on
> > their parade, but ... It would seem that the software writers are
> > limited to the features that their bosses want and not the end users.
> PAF Users:
>
> The whole process is one of refining what the users suggest and what
> those involved in the project decide to include, based again on time and
> money. For the $35 cost of the program it is great but I expect to see
> the process continue to improve the package then users will suggest even
> more features that they would like to have included. So it appears that
> patience is a good path to take. I like the suggestion that those
> literate in "C" actually produce some code, but that has some challenges
> too since I don't believe that the source code has been released and it
> really takes some effort to reverse engineer even a simple program like
> PAF.
>
> Just some ideas for consideration. PAF, I love it and dollar for
> dollar it can't be beat.
>
> John Totten
It was my understanding that you could get the code if you signed a
non-disclosure agreement, but that it was not being publically released.
The RUMOR I heard was that there was some RUMORED dispute with AQ over
copyright and such. RUMORED that SLC objected to AQ's RUMORED ads of
being "PAF for Windows." I hope I put in enough RUMOR notices!
I too love PAF, but prefer 2.x because it is less like a widows -- er
windows, program. I have and use Family Edge, FamilyTreeMaker and
Ultimate Family Tree. I PREFER PAF -- simple, clean, elegant.
Cheryl
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:50:54 EST
From: aaberg3@juno.com (Robert M Aaberg)
Subject: Re: [PAF] PAF Suggestion
All of you hv made good suggestions--hope everyone keeps it up. That
will in time make it better. I too like 2.31 and use it for all input,
use 3.0 for some reports only.
Bob
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:09:12 -0800
From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
Subject: [PAF] Need PAF help!
I am trying to COPY text from the NOTES section of my PAF
3.0 database onto my computer clipboard and PASTE it into
other Windows 95 applications like Wordpad and Netscape
Communicator email. I can highlight the text just fine
using the shift and arrow keys, but when I try to copy it
using Ctrl + C, as per the PAF help screen, it does not get
copied onto my computer clipboard.
What am I doing wrong? I use PAF in a DOS window, but the
COPY button at the top of the window is also disabled after
I highlight. How can I overcome this and get my text
copied?
Take care,
Robert
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:09:29 EST
From: Sclahr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
Dear Robert
In order to copy & paste from the dos window you must first mark the text with
the square box, you will get a yellow cursor and you drag that line to as much
text as you want to copy then go to the copy at the top of your window, from
there you go to the word pad or e-mail that you want and do paste and your
text should be copied.
Good luck
Carol
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:05:49 -0600
From: Richard Nowlin <Nowlin@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
The problem thay you are having is due to the fact that the copy/paste
clipboard that you are using is the one in PAF. If you will run PAF in a
Windows Window (pardon the redundancy) and use the Mark/copy/paste from
the windows task bar (it is above the PAF task bar) you will be using
the windows clipboard and it will work.
This problem can occur in any program with a clipboard that is run in
windows that was not written for windows.
Dick
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:43:25 -0600
From: Eleanor & Charles Collins <Collins@todays-tech.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
Dick I am a bystander to this but very interested in the replies. Please
explain to me in very simple terms how to run PAF in a windows window as I am
new to this computer thing --thanking you in advance....Ellie Collins
Richard Nowlin wrote:
> The problem thay you are having is due to the fact that the copy/paste
> clipboard that you are using is the one in PAF. If you will run PAF in a
> Windows Window (pardon the redundancy) and use the Mark/copy/paste from
> the windows task bar (it is above the PAF task bar) you will be using
> the windows clipboard and it will work.
>
> This problem can occur in any program with a clipboard that is run in
> windows that was not written for windows.
>
> Dick
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 12:40:09 -0700
From: Wallace Myers <hmyers@doitnow.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Need PAF help!
Hi Robert,
After hi-lighting, Just hit "ENTER" to copy!!
Wallace Myers..
Rob & Heather Williams wrote:
>
> I am trying to COPY text from the NOTES section of my PAF
> 3.0 database onto my computer clipboard and PASTE it into
> other Windows 95 applications like Wordpad and Netscape
> Communicator email. I can highlight the text just fine
> using the shift and arrow keys, but when I try to copy it
> using Ctrl + C, as per the PAF help screen, it does not get
> copied onto my computer clipboard.
>
> What am I doing wrong? I use PAF in a DOS window, but the
> COPY button at the top of the window is also disabled after
> I highlight. How can I overcome this and get my text
> copied?
>
> Take care,
>
> Robert
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:55:51 -0600
From: Richard Nowlin <Nowlin@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Paf in a Window
In Windows 95 I just hold down ALT and press ENTER and the program
toggles between a dos window and a windows window. Poor semantics but
that is what happens. The dos window has no task bar at the top or
bottom and the font is very large and easier to read.
In the windows window, the font is smaller, the screen can be minumized,
maximized and reduced; the windows task bar is on top of the window, and
I can see the bottom task bar for windows, (if it is set to be "always
on top").
Each time you press Alt-Enter the screen switches to the other version.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:31:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: [PAF] Christmas is coming
And if you can read this, you can d/l a cute little program called
GED2HTML or GED2WWW.
Use either of 'em to create a webpage for your kids, nieces, nephews,
grands and greats. Load the page on your HD and fire up your webbrowser
(you don't even have to dial the ISP) and take a look.
My personal favorite is Webbit, but it has disappeared. Or, you can do
this in some of those "other" programs (g).
If you want pictures or music, you open the output, insert
"img src = "grandma.gif" " replacing the " with the lessthan/greaterthan
signs and you'll have a picture of grandma -- assuming you remember to
copy grandma.gif into the same directory.
To get grandma's favorite song to play, the code is "bgsound src =
"grandma.wav" " followed by " loop=1 " This works on IE ONLY and will
probably lock up a machine running Netscape or Mosaic.
REMEMBER TO SAVE THE FILE AS ASCII!!!
Cheryl
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