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paf-digest Wednesday, November 11 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 065
In this issue:
[PAF] Re: ANSI vs. ANSEL code
[PAF] Broadcast
Re: [PAF] Print to file
Re: [PAF] The Broadcast Coming Up - FAVOR!!!
Re: [PAF] Broadcast
Re: [PAF] Broadcast
Re: [PAF] Broadcast
[PAF] Re; Broadcast (my notes)
[PAF] Re: Gedcom PFA 2.31
[PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
[PAF] Re: Gedcom PFA 2.31
Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
[PAF] PAF Companion
[PAF] Re: PAF Companion - Data on Diskette
Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:17:28 -0800
From: rhaldy@juno.com (Richard L Halliday)
Subject: [PAF] Re: ANSI vs. ANSEL code
Eddie;
Richard here again. I was going to continue my answer to your
message. However , when I saw the answer given by Brian C. Madsen I
decided not to do so. H:is answer is at least as good as any I could
have given to you. I consider him to be very knowledgable.
When I first got into this digital and computer business, we were
using teletype machines for their keyboards to enter information into the
computers. The teletype printer was used to print data coming out of the
computer. At the side of the keyboard there was a small device which
would read or punch holes into paper tape which was about 3/4 inch wide.
There were two types of these punches. Both had tiny holes down the
middle for a sproket which pulled the tape through. One kind had seven
columns of larger holes about 1/8 inch in diameter. The other had eight
columns of holes.
Those holes represented the binary code. Both of them used a
seven-bit (one bit for each column of holes) code. A seven bit code
allows counts from 0 to 127. Teletype lines were relatively good for
transmitting information, but when they were too long the signal would
become weak and the background noise would corrupt the signal. To
improve the accuracy of the transmitted information, the eighth column of
holes was added. This column was called Parity. It enabled the receiver
to detect if there was one bad bit in any character.
Since a code to represent letters, numbers, punctuation marks, etc.
already existed, it was adopted for use by some computers. In those
computers the problem of long lines and weak signals did not exist so the
eighth bit was (mostly) not needed. Finally, someone, at IBM, I think,
realized that if they used the eighth bit for code and not for parity,
they could double the number of characters represented. So . . ., the
first 128 code caracters were called the lower ASCII and the latter 128
characters were called upper ASCII.
By this time people were no longer using the old teletype code. A
group had combined to create a code of 128 characters they called
American Standard Code for Information Interchange. That was too long to
say very often so the initials were used: ASCII. It is pronounced Askie.
When IBM first decided to use the upper 128 characters, they defined
what they thought would be useful. They decided to make many of the
characters lines. They had provision for single or double lines which
were vertical, horizontal, corners and intersections. In DOS we used
them to make frames or boxes appear on the screen.
The idea was a good one so others decided to use it also except that
they did not agree with IBM as to what the upper 128 "ASCII" characters
should represent. Actually, they were not ASCII characters at all as
that standards organization had not approved them. Some of those
character sets contain things which I find useful such as the symbol
which represents the pound sterling (when I write to my British friends
and family or the grave accent when I write to my Brazilian
daughter-in-law).
I have blathered on for too long again, but I suppose that you now
understand why the Church decided to use the ANSEL character set when
they added the diacritics to PAF. If I remember correctly, I quoted a
section from the GEDCOM standards manual which stated something about
this. It also said or implied that eventually it would be necessary to
go to the Unicode. This code is sixteen bits long. Yes, it takes twice
as much storage space, but it allows the representation of non-Roman
languages such as Arabic, Hebrew, Russian, Chineese, Japaneese, Korean,
etc. The Unicode will be able to represent 129,536 characters (unless I
have made a mistake in my arithmatic).
In the meantime we will use ANSEL because equipment has been developed
which will allow the entry, storage, printing and display of the ANSEL
characters. I believe that as UNICODE becomes a world wide standard that
printers, keyboards, etc., will become available for it. Until then the
ANSEL character set seems to me to be a good intermediate step.
I hope that this is of some help to you.
Sincerely,
Richard L. Halliday
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 17:43:23 -0600
From: Eleanor & Charles Collins <Collins@todays-tech.com>
Subject: [PAF] Broadcast
Could not get to broadcast as our Stake made no announcements. Could
anyone send me notes or I would be happy to pay for a video tape +
expenses and time. Thank you.
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 19:40:07 EST
From: barry.peterson@juno.com (Barry Peterson)
Subject: Re: [PAF] Print to file
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:35:00 EST Dbericsson@aol.com writes:
>Barry,
<snip>
>I didn't see a place in PAF to select generic text option.
PAF 3.0 calls it Standard ASCII.
>When I save to the file in PAF Companion, in anything but the Register
report,
>I get boxes and squares. These are saved as printer files, .prn, and I
can't
>find any other way to save them. Register report is in RTF, and
transfers
>well.
RTF (Rich Text Format) is a word processor format which most
word processors understand. I just reran your sequence on my PAF
computer and it again worked fine using three versions of Word Perfect.
I suspect your word processor is not properly converting the ASCII file.
Where specifically are these boxes, etc. you see?
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 19:06:18 -0800
From: "Richard N. Simonsen" <simonsen@slip.net>
Subject: Re: [PAF] The Broadcast Coming Up - FAVOR!!!
It seems to me that the best source and for the best quality you should contact
the FHC who probably would send you a copy free. Richard
Ed Rogers wrote:
> I have tried all the church channels in Europe trying to find a carrier
> for the broadcast so I can get a copy of the Family History Training
> broadcast coming later on today. I am willing to send cash to anyone who
> replies to me if they can copy the broadcast for me on a viseo tape. The
> church's satellite system works in teh states but dfue to red tape and
> different technical problems to renting over-priced satellite time, I am
> unable to obtain a much needed copy of the broadcast.
>
> I will pay the pastage and the cost of the blank video cassette if someone
> would be so kind as to record and/or copy the broadcast today.
>
> My ward and indeed all of Finland would be greatful :)
>
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> ----awaiting your help and thanks in advance!
> -Ed
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:32:06 EST
From: TQME2@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Broadcast
Eleanor & Charles Collins
Re: The Family History Broadcast
These notes are what I recall from the meeting tonight. These are jaded by
the things that are important to me and are sans the strong spiritual feelings
of the broadcast for which I apologize. I presume the text will likely be
available someplace on the Internet as an official publication. At least I
hope so.
Elder D. Todd Christofferson conducted the meeting. The first speaker was
Acting President Packer of the Quorum of the Twelve. His remarks included
these items:
D & C 138: Talking of Pres. Joseph F. Smith's revelation on the Savoir's
preaching to the spirits in prison, he said that servants were called to do
the preaching since the Savoir would not go to those who were in darkness.
D & C 128: Pres. Wilford Woodruff reported on a revelation he had received
just before the General Conference.
- We must record ordinances, particularly those performed in the temple.
- The ordinances must have witnesses to see and hear them.
- The records are the basis for acceptation of the ordinances in Heaven.
He emphasized the end of the Section as having particular importance.
He talked of Pres. Woodruff comments on adoptions and endowments.
- A person must be bound to his father.
- We are to trace our lineage back as far as we can.
D & C 124: This related to temple building.
- Build a temple - Nauvoo - and include a baptismal font.
- Complete the temple or be rejected as a people.
- Don't baptize for the dead in streams or lakes, only in the temple.
FAMILY HISTORY CENTERS: They are for all people and specifically are very
helpful for those members who are less active, new members, and non-members
because all are linked as families and FH with associated temple work seals in
Heaven those sacred families.
Elder Christofferson talked powerfully as the final speaker. His comments
included:
FAMILY HISTORY SOFTWARE PRODUCTS: He described a handout sheet that would be
provided at the conclusion of the meeting which lists the projucts available.
- Family History Source Guide (50176) $10
- Vital Records Index - North America (50029) $10
- Vital Records Index - British Isles (50028) $15
- Personal Ancestral File Companion 2.0 (CD 50041) $10
- Personal Ancestral File Companion 3.0M (35821) $15
- 1851 British Census (50096) $5
- Australian Vital Records Index, 1788-1905 (50095) $20
STEPS IN FAMILY HISTORY:
1 Put down all information that you know about your ancestors.
2 Get more information from family members and all records they may have.
3 Do further research as needed.
4 Us Family Search in the FHC to record the data and prepare it for
5 TempleReady and preparing names for the temple.
6 Perform the ordinances.
THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH: The Holy Ghost bearing witness of the devine nature of
the family.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:51:31 EST
From: ACWomack@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Broadcast
In a message dated 11/8/1998 9:33:16 PM Central Standard Time, TQME2@aol.com
writes:
>
> FAMILY HISTORY CENTERS: They are for all people and specifically are very
> helpful for those members who are less active, new members, and non-members
> because all are linked as families and FH with associated temple work seals
> in
> Heaven those sacred families.
>
Some other points that were brought out was the one about the missionaries
should take the Family History "Counselor" with them when teaching the 4th and
5th discussion lessons AND they should bring propective members to the FHC to
show them how to use the FHC to do Baptism for the Dead... which will
strengthen the message. They also are encourageing the just baptised members
to go to the temple within 60 days of baptism to do the baptism for one of
their ancestors and then they will want to go back in a year and do their own
endowments as well as that ancestors other work.
Of course all this leads back to the fact that the director, the couselor AND
the local missionaries will need to know how to use the FHC and the PAF
programs! They can't teach what they don't know!
Annette in Louisiana
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:27:11 +0000
From: "Alice Harris" <akh@molalla.net>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Broadcast
I would suggest contacting the FH Dept. in SLC and see if they
wouldn't send a copy to your stake or ward.
> Could not get to broadcast as our Stake made no announcements. Could
> anyone send me notes or I would be happy to pay for a video tape +
> expenses and time. Thank you.
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:22:58 -0700
From: Peter Van Schaik <peter.van.schaik@T8000.com>
Subject: [PAF] Re; Broadcast (my notes)
From my notes.....
>>>>>>>>>All mistakes/mis-interpretations are mine<<<<<<<
Pres.Packard;
Family History ,if it was a picture it can not be framed . Because there is
no end to it.
Keep accurate records ; ordinances bound, recorded and witnessed on earth
wil be bound in heaven.
Family History will provide foundation for temple work/attendance for old
and new members.
Family History is a great missionary tool.
Family History is the most glorious of all work.
Pres. Christofferson;
Technology development of today is guided by the Lord.
We stand on the tresshold of possibilities with technology and Family History.
He listed and described all the new software products. (If you did not get
the sheet with products ,I can repost it..Peter)
Family History and temple attendance need to be connected.
Family History should be discussed in stake and ward councils.
Family History consultants work together with missionaries to get new
converts to do baptisms for their death relatives within 60 day's of their
own baptism.
Family History consultants work together with missionaries and ward mission
leaders to get less active members interrested in their own genealogy.
When non members visit the Family History Center ,briefly discus doctrinal
ideas of Family History work.
Family History consultants should follow six steps with people starting out
with their own genealogy;
1; Fill out pedigree chart
2; Gather information from family sources.
3; Check the Family Search computer program (IGI and AF)
4; Choose ancestors names to send to temple for ordinance work.
5; How to use the Temple Ready computer program.
6; Help/guide/accompany them to the temple when they are going to do
ordinances for their own ancestors.
Groetjes from...............Peter!!!!!!
Genealogy: First a commandment, then a curiosity, then an interest,
then an addiction"
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:48:38 EST
From: aaberg3@juno.com (Robert M Aaberg)
Subject: [PAF] Re: Gedcom PFA 2.31
Tried to make gedcom of all ancesters of RIN 535. He has no descendants.
I got my entire paf file on it. WHY?
Bob
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:51:03 -0700
From: "John J. Totten" <jjtotte@california.sandia.gov>
Subject: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
Recently upgraded computer to a machine running Windows 98 and installed
PAF 3.0m from the start menu. The program cannot run properly whether
starting from the PAF Icon or starting the system in the DOS mode. The
system detects an error and kicks me out of the program.
I have run this software on Windows 95 version A for quite some time and
in both the Windows 95 version B and Windows 98 I get the same sort of
problems. It will not run properly. Any suggestions?
John J. Totten
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:07:45 -0600
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: [PAF] Re: Gedcom PFA 2.31
Bob wrote:
>Tried to make gedcom of all ancesters of RIN 535. He has no descendants.
I got my entire paf file on it. WHY?
Probably was not connected to the family tree. If it is an orphaned
record that is all you get.
Other than that, do you have the source file it should point to (like
C:\paf\data or C:\paf\familyname or A:\. A patron had trouble doing a
gedcom once. It was how he configured it to point to a file. It keep
producing only 20 individuals instead of the direct line. I check the
setup and corrected the pointer file and then the file worked.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:32:09 EST
From: Sclahr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
Dear John:
I would think that the problem is in the program itself as I have the same PAF
3.0m running on windows 98 and I loaded mine from the start menu and I have no
problems running PAF 3.0m from the desktop, start bar or from PAF companion.
Carol Lahr
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:19:27 -0700
From: "John J. Totten" <jjtotte@california.sandia.gov>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
Sclahr@aol.com wrote:
>
> Dear John:
>
> I would think that the problem is in the program itself as I have the same PAF
> 3.0m running on windows 98 and I loaded mine from the start menu and I have no
> problems running PAF 3.0m from the desktop, start bar or from PAF companion.
>
> Carol Lahr
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Dear Carol: Thanks for the input. I will delete PAF3 and reload to
see what happens. I am also running companion. I can go to PAF from
companion, but after the PAF program is loaded and I try to scroll
through the name list it kicks me out of the PAF program. I suppose it
could also be something else that is running at the same time since
Norton and McAffe are also running and may be causing a problem. Are
you running Norton or McAffe on your system also? Regards John Totten
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:32:25 EST
From: Sclahr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
Dear John:
No at the moment I am not running any of those programs. However when I had
the Windows 95 machine it had Norton's anti virus on it and I had no problems
running PAF 3.0M.
Good Luck
Carol
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:57:39 +0000
From: "The Dann's" <dann.family@diamond.co.uk>
Subject: [PAF] PAF Companion
I have a question concerning PAF Conmpanion.
I keep my data for PAF3 on a floppy disk (so I can use PAF on several different
computers).
Is it possible for PAF Companion to read this data (and if so, how?) or will it
only read data that is on the hard disc?
Jan Dann
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:41:51 -0600
From: Richard Nowlin <Nowlin@flash.net>
Subject: [PAF] Re: PAF Companion - Data on Diskette
Jan Dann, I think you should be aware of the pitfalls of using a PAF3
database on a floppy disk on multiple computers. If you are aware of the
problems, then it is safe to do so.
Paf3.0 creates files that you may optionally save, (focus lists,
reports, and temporary files from partial imports) and two files that
are not optional (the edited record with an Ancestral File Number file,
and the reports.dat file). These files are stored on the hard disk of
the computer in use, and are not copied to a floppy automatically, or
included in the backup procedure. Thus if you make and save any of
these files on computer #1 (say your home computer) and then on another
computer at a friends house, or at a Family History Center, you may be
leaving important file behind. If they are on your laptop, and your
desktop, then you may just have to switch computers when doing certain
operations.
The Ancestral File Edit file is named the same as you PAF3.0 database
with .AF as the file extension. It is created, and added to, when you
remove a record that has an AF Number from a relationship. (Delete, or
put the record into another family). It is accessed when you export an
AF submission, and you are asked "Do you want to include changes to
records with AF numbers?". If you say yes, the data will be included,
and the pafbasename.AF file will disappear until it is created again, by
another change in the records.
The focus lists and the custom reports formats you may have created may
be on the other computer, and switching is not a problem unless it is at
a friends house, or at the local FH Center.
This is a little understood problem with PAF3.0, and it also comes up
when one wants to copy their PAF3 database from their old computer to
their new computer.
A similar problem exists when one uses the same database with different
genealogy programs. For example. May PAF users also have Ancestral
Quest, which reads and writes the PAF2.31 database files. However if
one has attached photos, sound clips and other media to their records in
AQ, and then uses PAF2.31 to delete or merge files, then the tracking of
the media files is lost. To be sure that the file changes are kept track
of, use AQ to make the changes.
To be safe, always use the same computer to make merges, deletions, and
(changes to records with Ancestral File numbers when using PAF3.0).
It is best to only "view" the records, but not edit the records on any
other computer.
I hope this helps, Dick Nowlin
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:43:49 -0800
From: rhaldy@juno.com (Richard L Halliday)
Subject: Re: [PAF] Problems running PAF 3.0m
John & Carol;
I am running PAF and PAF Companion from Windows 95. I have also had
problems with the operating system crashing when I have Juno and PAF
Companion running. Another possibility is my copy of Norton Anti-Virus.
I definitely had a problem with a screen saver. I finally removed it
entirely. In conclusion, I would suggest that you check and see if any
other program is running. You might try to shut off both the Windows
screen saver and an anit-virus program if you are running one.
Richard L. Halliday rhaldy@juno.com
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