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paf-digest V1998 #49
paf-digest Tuesday, September 22 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 049
In this issue:
Re: [PAF] PAF 3.0 Printing
Re: [PAF] [PAF3 Source query]
Re: [PAF] Re. PAF3.
[PAF] Forwarded Mail about Print Spooling
RE: [PAF] [PAF3 Source query]
[PAF] GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
RE: [PAF] GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
[PAF] RE: GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
RE: [PAF] GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
[PAF] I don't "get" it
Re: [PAF] I don't "get" it
[PAF] Long Names
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:28:14 -0500
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: Re: [PAF] PAF 3.0 Printing
Jerry H Collins Wrote:
>I have a copy of PAF 3.0 running on a Wintel machine with Windows 98.
When I try to print, I get an error message asking whether I want Windows
or PAF to control the print queue. The document generally will print but
will frequently have odd or lost characters. How do I fix this?
Another copy of PAF 3.0 running on a computer running NT 3.51 prints
fine. What am I doing wrong?
***********
Sound like you didn't specify which printer this is run on. If both
systems run off the same type printer, check the print drivers. If they
are set the same, I would then check to see what the windows printer
(under the contral panel ,then printer icon) driver is. Sometimes it just
a matter of loading the printer model software or the windows 95 or 98
printer drivers..
If you still get errors, try going through the printers list and test out
a page on each to see which does the best job. Sometimes the straight
ASC II option works or the Epson 24 pin will do, I haven't tried the IBO
proprinter setting. Just wish the 3.0 version gives us the same printer
options as 2.31 did and create an entry. Are you sure you're running the
3.0 or the 3.0M version.
Our FHC centers are printing with the Epson series printers without any
problems. The third one has a HP printer and so far seems to do its job.
Although I for one never did like how HP set up it drivers. all other
makers emulated the Epson series.
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:05:08 -0600
From: Ralph Slutz <ralphs@bouldernews.infi.net>
Subject: Re: [PAF] [PAF3 Source query]
Alice Harris wrote:
> ... ... ...
> He
> had me make a gedcom of my file and designate it as going to Paf 2.31.
> Then gedcom it back into my Paf 3.0.
>
> Because 2.31 has no sources, they go into the notes section. Then
> when you gedcom it back into 3.0 those source citations are placed in
> the notes section of 3.0. The format is sort of weird, but it is there.
> And I can now make a gedcom to share for Paf 3.0 destination.
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Alice,
BEWARE ---if you actually put your data into PAF 2.3.1 and then create
a GEDCOM to go back to PAf 3.0, you will lose other goodies that are
in PAF 3.0!
The one that comes to mind immediately is the long names that 3.0
supports.
If you have long names for persons or places, they will be truncated
to
the shorter ones that 2.3.1 supports --- they will still be there, but
in the Notes instead of where they should be. I have a feeling that
there
are one or two other such goodies in 3.0, but don't remember them
right now.
For just this reason, I have 3.0 but do not use it! I have two report
programs that I prefer to the ones that come with PAF, but they will
only
work with 2.3.1 so I am sticking with 2.3.1 until more report programs
are written for 3.0.
Ralph
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:23:15 +0100
From: Fred MacKay <fmackay@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Re. PAF3.
Rob & Heather Williams wrote:
> Hi Fred,
> Doesn't the F8 key allow you to paste the same data into the
> field as you had before? Give it a try.
> Robert
> Fred MacKay wrote:
> > Hi! There Folks,
> > I am in the process of entering my sources in PAF3.
<Snip>
> > Best wishes,
> > Fred MacKay.
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Hi! There Heather,
Thanks for your suggestion, but it isn't possible as far as I can see.
When you wish to enter Sources in PAF3 you go to the small pedigree
screen, press 1, to go to the person you wish to add sources to.
One then presses 3, to go to the small pedigree screen, press 2, to go
to the individual browse, press 'E' for edit.
Move the cursor down to one of the following fields.
Name for LIFE event.
Birth for BIRTH event..
Ditto for Christening, and Death.
Go to the small pedigree, and go to the marriage for MARRIAGE event.
When you reach the area you click F4 for sources.
This opens a screen which allows you to enter data on the subject.
The top half is a sort of 'standard' area if you aren't afraid of
changing this data on all others from which you have decided is OK.
However, the manual says 'no' unless you are not concerned that all
templates created by this copying, will be changed if you inadvertently
forget this and make a change.
This has been a sore point with people who disregarded this word of
caution.
So I decided to enter each source upper half of the page individually
Now we come to the point of my question, which concerns the bottom, half
of the screen, namely, the penultimate line which asks you to press F3
to enter word perfect what is on the certificate.
Now in Scotland prior to 1855, when civil registration commenced, we
have Parish Registers, which in all of the certs. I have the date of
birth is given as well as the details of Christening, which means that I
have to enter this data twice.
What I wanted to know was there a method whereby I can enter the data in
the birth source, and also enter the same data in the christening
source.
So, if anyone has an idea of how to do this without entering it twice,
please let me know?
The problem as far as I can see is we have set-up another operation by
pressing F3, and I cannot see a way to obtain the data from one area and
pasting it to the same area in another field?
Any suggestions will be very gratefully received.
Best wishes,
Fred MacKay.
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:52:19 +0300
From: Ed Rogers <zulander@netsonic.fi>
Subject: [PAF] Forwarded Mail about Print Spooling
This mail was forwarded since it was in WWW format. In the future please
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think it is advertising or SPAM and reject it since most mails of this
type are SPAM.
From: "Mark E. Gower" <famlyman@mci2000.com>
> Subject: Re: [PAF] PAF 3.0 Printing
> I believe that you may have a problem with your print spooling.
>
> Go to your printer icon under Printers and click on the properties and
> check the Port Settings and make sure that Spool MS-DOS print jobs is NOT
> checked-- this will cause a conflict. Also you should let Windows handle
> the print queue-- that way the program will be released while the job is
> printing and you can continue your work. It will send the complete print
> to the Windows print queue.
>
> Does that make since-- I tried to spool and it wouldn't work.
>
> --
> Mark E. Gower,
> Professional Family History Research.
> M.E. GOWER ENTERPRISES
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:25:52 -0500
From: "Webster, James" <James_Webster@afcc.com>
Subject: RE: [PAF] [PAF3 Source query]
I have had just the opposite problem when I try to create a PAF2.31 I got
the "Cannot Read Data" error. Finally had to send a Bak disc to SLC for a
repair.
Jim Webster
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alice Harris [SMTP:akh@molalla.net]
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 12:20 PM
> To: paf@innernet.org
> Subject: Re: [PAF] [PAF3 Source query]
>
> > Now that I have got used to PAF3.0M, I feel it is high time to tackle
> > the huge job of moving my Documentation Notes into the Source database
> > and preparing my research for submission to Ancestral File.
> >
> I am not going to use the Sources until they fix the bug that PAF
> Support told me they have found in that area.
>
> I have had problems with making a gedcom when I designated it as a
> Paf 3.0 gedcom on one of my lines. I got an error message saying
> Something similar to" Cannot read Data" I could make the gedcom if I
> said it was going to a Paf 2.31 destination.
>
> I finally was so frustrated I called Support. It took me 3 calls
> before the problem was resolved. So the problem must not be too well
> known. Somehow a bug in the Sources can prevent the formation of
> the gedcom. I should have asked him more about the whys but was so
> excited to be able to finally get to the bottom of it I didn't think of
> it.. He
> had me make a gedcom of my file and designate it as going to Paf 2.31.
> Then gedcom it back into my Paf 3.0.
>
> Because 2.31 has no sources, they go into the notes section. Then
> when you gedcom it back into 3.0 those source citations are placed in
> the notes section of 3.0. The format is sort of weird, but it is there.
> And I can now make a gedcom to share for Paf 3.0 destination.
>
> Alice Harris
> akh@molalla.net
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:06:41 -0700
From: rhaldy@juno.com (Richard L Halliday)
Subject: [PAF] GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
All;
I have seen two messages about problems with PAF 3.0 GEDCOM file
generation on, I think, this forum. Just this morning (21 September) I
checked with the PAF help desk. The man I tlaked to could not tell me of
any newly discovered problems with PAF 3.0M. He wondered if those with
the problem were using the first release of PAF 3.0 (not the maintence
release).
If anyone out there is still using the original release of PAF 3.0
then PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE contact Salt Lake and get the 3.0M version.
That original version does have some serious problems associated with
GEDCOM file processing and with conversion of the PAF 2.31 database to a
3.0 database.
Because of the enhancements which PAF 3.0 contains (i.e., long names,
diacritics and a very good documentation feature) do not hesitate to use
it, but make sure you have the current (maintenence release) version.
Richard L. Halliday
rhaldy@juno.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:41:58 -0500
From: "Webster, James" <James_Webster@afcc.com>
Subject: RE: [PAF] GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
At least in my case the maintenance release did not solve the problem.
Jim Webster
972.652.7535/972.652.7396(fax)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhaldy@juno.com [SMTP:rhaldy@juno.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 10:07 AM
> To: paf@innernet.org
> Subject: [PAF] GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
>
> All;
> I have seen two messages about problems with PAF 3.0 GEDCOM file
> generation on, I think, this forum. Just this morning (21 September) I
> checked with the PAF help desk. The man I tlaked to could not tell me of
> any newly discovered problems with PAF 3.0M. He wondered if those with
> the problem were using the first release of PAF 3.0 (not the maintence
> release).
> If anyone out there is still using the original release of PAF 3.0
> then PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE contact Salt Lake and get the 3.0M version.
> That original version does have some serious problems associated with
> GEDCOM file processing and with conversion of the PAF 2.31 database to a
> 3.0 database.
> Because of the enhancements which PAF 3.0 contains (i.e., long names,
> diacritics and a very good documentation feature) do not hesitate to use
> it, but make sure you have the current (maintenence release) version.
> Richard L. Halliday
> rhaldy@juno.com
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:10:50 EST
From: "Joan Raney" <raneyj@Rex.queens.edu>
Subject: [PAF] RE: GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
Jim Webster wrote:
> At least in my case the maintenance release did not solve the problem.
> > Richard Halliday wrote:
> > I have seen two messages about problems with PAF 3.0 GEDCOM file
> > generation on, I think, this forum...If anyone out there is still using the
> > original release of PAF 3.0 then PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE contact
> > Salt Lake and get the 3.0M version.
I have to tell my experience with this. I personally haven't had any
problems with exporting or importing GEDCOM files with PAF 3.0m.
However, my friend had major problems with it. She got the same
error messages as described on this email list. I took her data file
and put it on my hard drive and created a GEDCOM for her with no
problems. We both have PAF 3.0m. I even re-installed PAF 3.0m on
her PC hoping that would solve the problem. It didn't. Very
strange.
Joan Raney
Charlotte, NC
raneyj@rex.queens.edu
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:10:39 EDT
From: MEHolladay@aol.com
Subject: RE: [PAF] GEDCOM file problems with PAF 3.0
My 3.0 maintenance release produces Gedcom's...no problem, never have had any.
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:17:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: [PAF] I don't "get" it
It's probably just a mental block of mine, but would someone PLEASE take
a stab at explaining it anyway? Maybe if enough of you come at it from
different angles, it'll all come clear to me, but right now I'm denser
than the Qtab Minar.
OK, A number of programs offered this "feature" as a major "advantage"
and in PAF 3.0, they too bought and peddled some swampland. OBVIOUSLY
someone sees _some_ advantage, so please tell me what it is.
PAF now allows some incredible number of spaces for most fields,
including name and places. OK, I'm happy to type in that 200+ character
name set someone posted on one of the newsgroups the other day. But.
When I print that name to screen, I don't GET all 200+ characters. And
when I print it to paper, I STILL don't get all 200+ characters. The
*only* place I see all 200+ characters that I typed in is in the Edit screen.
Places -- same thing. I type in however many characters it takes (such
as Winchester Memorial Hospital, Winchester, Frederick county,
Virginia). Looks great in the Edit screen. But on the Pedigree, I get
"WinMemHosp,Winc,Fc,Virg" and on the FGS, I get
"WinchesterMemorialHospital,Winchester,Frederickcounty,Virgini"
*IF* the space alloted for this information is limited, as it is and must
be, by the size of the paper, what is the POINT of permitting -- yea even
_encouraging_-- entry of more data than will print? (OK, yes I could
have used two more spaces in the "county" slot in 2.2 and 2.31.)
I fail to see the point of entering more data than you can retrieve.
And, on screen, fairly short names (Hannah Lawson Blue, for a specific
instance) truncate in unfortunate places. Hannah Lawson becomes Hannah
Laws; Hannah Sloan Kuykendall becomes Hanna Kuykendall.
OK, if I put the display on Large Pedigree, and move the cursor, I can
see more of the name than is on the chart, but I still do not see
EVERYTHING I entered.
Maybe it was unfortunate that I was working with Hannah and her family
when PAF 3.0 first hit my mailbox, because this was the FIRST thing I
noticed once I got the program running. Frankly, I would have preferred
not finding it. (g)
After two years with PAF 3.0 and 2 or 3 more of TMG, I STILL do not see the
point. I could be a lot more enthusiastic about this "advance" if I did
see a point.
So, tell me, what IS the point?
Cheryl the glum
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:58:13 -0500
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: Re: [PAF] I don't "get" it
IMHO, I believe the truncation is the way the program was first set up.
When you print these out they are shorten to fit the allotted space on
the forms. But on your screen it fills in the whole thing as do when you
do the GEDCOM.
Now say, you want to print out your own report. This you can easily setup
to do and print out your own report with the full name intact where you
designed your own reporting of the data. That's one advantage point you
can do.
But for the pedigree and group sheets, it truncated to fill in the space
provided. For example, Des Moines Township, Jefferson County, Iowa is one
long place. It will fit to it criteria (correct me if I'm wrong) to 16
spaces for each level of entry. A lot of people will type out the word
County where they really don't need to (or use the Co. abbreviation),
thus giving more space where it needs to fit the data.
Same case with names. Some German names of old are three to four part
names. Spanish surnames are a combo of both the father and mother's
surname. It only fits in just enough space for print reports. Let's say
one of your ancestors is Charlemagne. Well, some folks like to have the
official title he had since Charlemagne technically did not have a legal
last name which incidentally only came about in the late 1300 or 1400's.
So if one had Charlemagne, King of the Franks, Holy Roman Empire, it will
only fill in so much of the name that's relevant. Same for others if all
they were known by are their titles, like Baroness of such-and such place
, High Sheriff of this place, etc.
A lot of these programs just doesn't handle the printout of names as they
are suppose to. Each developer of the program gave it to minimum amount
of space to do it's reports, and anything left over should be covered in
the notes section if it couldn't accommodate all the wording. Since
reconstruction the GEDCOM standards compensates for longer names and
places til one day a program will accommodate the longer names. There's
only so much the will fit on a 8x11 sheets of paper unless you print it
out on 8x14 sheets or 11x14 sheets. If you condense the print it should
give you enough of the name. But hey, how many of us could read all that
fine print visibly without the aid of magnifying glasses.
That's my observation. It's one reason I abbreviate some place names and
drop the COUNTY off the county level, so I have more room. If all you
have is a county where one born/died, fill in the leading place (town or
city) with a leading comma and eliminate the word County.
Hope this explains things for you.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:37:41 -0700
From: rhaldy@juno.com (Richard L Halliday)
Subject: [PAF] Long Names
My recollection is that PAF 3.0 allows 124 or 125 characters for names
depending on whether they are the names of people or places. I think
that the place names are the shorter ones. Since characters with
diacritics take two bytes, you must subtract one character for every
diacritic.
For those who are using Windows there is a way to print the longer
names without abbreviations. Use the Portrait orientation when printing
a family group sheet. This orientation will only print the information
for two children on the first page and four on subsequent pages, but if
you want the long names to print . . .
The selection of typeface has an additional minor influence on the
result. If you use a fixed pitch typeface (which makes it look
typewritten) you sacrifice several characters per line. I just printed a
sample and found that this layout allows 5.3 in (13 cm) for place names
which is equivalent to about 84 characters of the Arial typeface. If you
were to use Times New Roman you would get a few more characters. The
space allowed for individuals names is 6 to 9 in (15 to 23 cm). Since
the individuals names use a larger font, it will only accommodate up to
about 66 characters. Admittedly, this still does not accommodate the
entire 124 or 125 characters, but it is a significant improvement.
While doing extraction of temple records from the Tahitian (?) temple,
I found one name which ran one and a half lines (about 120 characters).
This was a single name, not a string of them.
I have a friend who is full blood Maori. She told me that the longest
name she could think of was
"Taumatawhatkatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu". That name
means "The haunting strains of the flute brings contentment to my soul".
Of course, it is a feminine name. I think that is longer than the Welsh
"Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogenychwyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch" for which I
have no translation. Incidentally, she told me that her grandfather was
a cannibal, but that he never ate another human after he joined the
Church. (truth, I am not joshing anyone).
Richard L. Halliday rhaldy@juno.com
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