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paf-digest V1998 #44
paf-digest Tuesday, September 8 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 044
In this issue:
[none]
[PAF] (no subject)
[PAF] How to subscribe?
[PAF] mail list - discussion group?
Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
[PAF] Stuck on editing record
Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
[PAF] Let Us Promote Your Site -uefqewsl
[PAF] Splitting trees in PAF
Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
[PAF] [Fwd: Undeliverable: How to enter relationship]
Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
[PAF] Re: How to enter relationship
Re: [PAF] Re: How to enter relationship
[none]
Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
Re: [PAF] Re: How to enter relationship
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the PAF
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:05:54 -0700
From: "Royce G. Peterson" <roycesrp@email.msn.com>
Subject: [none]
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:23:57 -0700
From: Jeff Odom <bodom1@iamerica.net>
Subject: [PAF] (no subject)
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:35:21 -0400
From: "Ilya Zeldes" <ilyaz@iline.com>
Subject: [PAF] How to subscribe?
I'd like to subscribe to this PAF mailing list. May you advise me on how to
do so?
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 11:39:22 -0700
From: "D. W. Marsh" <marshhouse@earthlink.net>
Subject: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
Please advise on subscribing
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:33:03 -0700
From: "Royce G. Peterson" <roycesrp@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
I have two PAF USERS mailing list for PAF users. If you are using either
Version 2.31 or 3, you can subscribe by sending the word subscribe
to either:
PAF-2.31-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com or
PAF-2.31-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest version.
or
PAF-3-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com or
PAF-3-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest version.
To unsubscribe - you will address exactly the same but send the word
unsubscribe
To post to PAF-2.31 send e-mail to PAF-2.31-USERS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM
To post to PAF 3 send e-mail to PAF-3-USERS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM.
You will get an automated welcome message from ROOTS telling you that you
are subscribed with instructions on how to post to the list. Then you can
start posting your messages to the list.
You can also go to my home page in my signature below for FAQ and an easy
way to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Shirley Hornbeck - hornbeck@s-hornbeck.com
WEB PAGE URL: <http://www.s-hornbeck.com>
THIS & THAT GENEALOGY TIPS: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck>
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From: D. W. Marsh <marshhouse@earthlink.net>
To: paf@innernet.org <paf@innernet.org>
Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 11:12 AM
Subject: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
>Please advise on subscribing
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 18:35:27 -0500
From: Eleanor & Charles Collins <Collins@todays-tech.com>
Subject: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
Please, please someone help me....I entered the gender of one of my
records wrong and PAF 3.0 won't let me change it....can someone help me
change it? All the pointer does is skip over the gender part....if
not,,,can someone tell me how to delete it so I can input it correctly?
I never ran across this problem before and I want to copy this corrected
disc for my son in SLC....thanking you in advance...please e-mail me the
answer ASAP
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 17:28:27 -0700
From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
Should be pretty easy to fix. With the name highlighted on
the small pedigree, select the letter "d", then select
"Delete Individual". Once that's done, you can re-enter the
person correctly as a new entry.
Wish they were all that easy!
Robert
Eleanor & Charles Collins wrote:
>
> Please, please someone help me....I entered the gender of one of my
> records wrong and PAF 3.0 won't let me change it....can someone help me
> change it? All the pointer does is skip over the gender part....if
> not,,,can someone tell me how to delete it so I can input it correctly?
> I never ran across this problem before and I want to copy this corrected
> disc for my son in SLC....thanking you in advance...please e-mail me the
> answer ASAP
>
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Heather Williams
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 07:15:45 +0300
From: Ed Rogers <zulander@netsonic.fi>
Subject: Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
Royce G. Peterson wrote:
>
> I have two PAF USERS mailing list for PAF users. If you are using either
> Version 2.31 or 3, you can subscribe by sending the word subscribe
> to either:
>
> PAF-2.31-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com or
> PAF-2.31-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest version.
- -SNIP-
This message confuses a few people since the request for information was
sent to this list and you post information about subscribing to one of
the other lists which is fine for me but confusing to the person who
originally had the question.
To my knowledge there are now 4 PAF lists out there. This one, which is
the original, the two listed above and a new one that has just started.
I don't feel I or anyone is in competition with any other list lince all
serve the same purpose but I want to avoid any confusion. :)
I don't mind people joining the other lists at all so don't get me wrong
:)
Lovingly,
- -Ed Rogers
PAF List Owner
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 07:51:51 -0800
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:47:34 EST
From: "Joan Raney" <raneyj@Rex.queens.edu>
Subject: [PAF] Splitting trees in PAF
I had posed my problem a few weeks ago. To briefly recap, I had
discovered a bogus line in my data and wanted to get rid of it. I
posted my problem and a number of you gave me your ideas and
suggestions. My hearty thanks to all for your help. Here is what I
eventually did.
First, I pinpointed the bogus family member that I needed to
disconnect from the family that was valid. I successfully
disconnected them from the family. Then I did a focus list. I first
selected all family records data, and then I switched to Unselect. I
then unselected the bogus family member and all of his ancestors.
The selection hung itself up in Windows 95 and I had to reboot. So I
switched to DOS and did it. It took all night on the PC but when I
looked at it at 4am, it was done. I hurriedly saved the focus list
and shut the PC down. Later the next evening I got back on the
computer and made a GEDCOM out of the focus list. I saved my old PAF
data file just in case it didn't work right. So far I've been
checking the new data file I created out of the GEDCOM, and it looks
good. My data is several thousand records shorter, and I saved the
bogus data in a GEDCOM in case I may need it again sometime.
Thanks to all who helped me. I am pleased so far with my data file,
and I haven't finished checking it yet, but so far no problems that I
can see. Thanks again, I love this list!
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Charlotte, NC
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:54:30 EDT
From: Mlharline@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
In a message dated 98-09-06 19:43:29 EDT, you write:
>
> Please, please someone help me....I entered the gender of one of my
> records wrong and PAF 3.0 won't let me change it....can someone help me
> change it? All the pointer does is skip over the gender part....if
> not,,,can someone tell me how to delete it so I can input it correctly?
>
I noticed that it was suggested that you delete the record. You don't have to
delete the record. You can remove the record of the individual from the
family, either a parent or spouse, change the gender and then link that record
again. This won't change the link to the parents of that individual. PAF
won't allow changes to gender of a parent or spouse. It will allow changes to
a child who is not married or who has a child.
If you have deleted the record, be sure that you make the links to the
parents of the deleted person as well as to the spouse.
Mary Lou Harline
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:54:34 EDT
From: Mlharline@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
In a message dated 98-09-06 19:43:29 EDT, you write:
>
> Please, please someone help me....I entered the gender of one of my
> records wrong and PAF 3.0 won't let me change it....can someone help me
> change it? All the pointer does is skip over the gender part....if
> not,,,can someone tell me how to delete it so I can input it correctly?
>
I noticed that it was suggested that you delete the record. You don't have to
delete the record. You can remove the record of the individual from the
family, either a parent or spouse, change the gender and then link that record
again. This won't change the link to the parents of that individual. PAF
won't allow changes to gender of a parent or spouse. It will allow changes to
a child who is not married or who has a child.
If you have deleted the record, be sure that you make the links to the
parents of the deleted person as well as to the spouse.
Mary Lou Harline
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:51:44 -0500
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
Correction, Ed! There are six. I had one, but noone hardly signed up. I
guess this list was the most active. I've given up my list which was at :
PAFusers@uplinktech.net I owned the list. There was one other member on
it besides myself, so I went to your list. I have even advertised it on
my web page (since then changed to reflect to your mail list for mailing
instructions). The referenced page could be found at
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1956/mailist.htm
I hope that web traffic has increased your mail list.
It never occurred to me that Rootsweb had any mail lists.
Tom Boelling
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:47:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Thomas C Boelling wrote:
> Correction, Ed! There are six. I had one, but noone hardly signed up. I
> guess this list was the most active. I've given up my list which was at :
> PAFusers@uplinktech.net I owned the list. There was one other member on
> it besides myself, so I went to your list. I have even advertised it on
> my web page (since then changed to reflect to your mail list for mailing
> instructions). The referenced page could be found at
> http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1956/mailist.htm
>
> I hope that web traffic has increased your mail list.
>
> It never occurred to me that Rootsweb had any mail lists.
Sigh.
One list is GREAT! Two are tolerable, but SIX?!? And separate ones for
2.31 and 3.0?
I am probably the lone voice crying in the wilderness, but as I
complained back when they split Roots-L -- we're all going to end up in
our own little two-person newsgroup if this keeps up.
Deep Sigh. I think I'll have another slab of pineapple upside down cake,
topped with some of Breyer's Reeses Peanute butter cup ice cream, washed
down with a diet soda. (g)
Cheryl the exhausted
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:55:47 -0500
From: Eleanor & Charles Collins <Collins@todays-tech.com>
Subject: [PAF] [Fwd: Undeliverable: How to enter relationship]
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Can someone please tell me the correct way to enter my husband's
biological dad onto our family group sheets? He didn't know about him
until he grew up and we are quite sure his mom and his bio were not
legally married.......how does he input him per LDS standards?
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:59:16 -0500
From: Eleanor & Charles Collins <Collins@todays-tech.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Stuck on editing record
thank you to all who responded so wonderfully.
Mlharline@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-09-06 19:43:29 EDT, you write:
>
> >
> > Please, please someone help me....I entered the gender of one of my
> > records wrong and PAF 3.0 won't let me change it....can someone help me
> > change it? All the pointer does is skip over the gender part....if
> > not,,,can someone tell me how to delete it so I can input it correctly?
> >
>
> I noticed that it was suggested that you delete the record. You don't have to
> delete the record. You can remove the record of the individual from the
> family, either a parent or spouse, change the gender and then link that record
> again. This won't change the link to the parents of that individual. PAF
> won't allow changes to gender of a parent or spouse. It will allow changes to
> a child who is not married or who has a child.
> If you have deleted the record, be sure that you make the links to the
> parents of the deleted person as well as to the spouse.
> Mary Lou Harline
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> ed.rogers@bigfoot.com or http://www.innernet.org/paf/
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:42:27 -0700
From: "Mark E. Gower" <famlyman@MCI2000.com>
Subject: [PAF] Re: How to enter relationship
Don't try so hard-- the records are yours and they should be input for
your understanding and no one way is right or wrong.
If you know the biological parents then simply put them in and if they
were not married, state that in the marriage information (in the place
field). If the conception happened in a common law state or country and
they had filled the requirements for being a husband and wife, then in
the date field put 'Common Law'.
It's really that simple-- Now if they were husband and wife by common
law and later married civilly or sealed in the Temple then each marriage
is handled separately.
If you need more help-- E-mail me back.
- --
Mark E. Gower,
Professional Family History Research.
M.E. GOWER ENTERPRISES
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:18:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Re: How to enter relationship
On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Mark E. Gower wrote:
> Don't try so hard-- the records are yours and they should be input for
> your understanding and no one way is right or wrong.
I infer from this something you most likely did NOT mean to imply; please
clarify and help me keep from breaking my ankle while jumping to conclusions.
> It's really that simple-- Now if they were husband and wife by common
> law and later married civilly or sealed in the Temple then each marriage
> is handled separately.
This sounds as if you are saying one man can be sealed to TWO sets of
parents?
Cheryl
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:20:40 -0500
From: "Ed Sarlls" <esarlls3@geocities.com>
Subject: [none]
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 05:53:31 +0300
From: Ed Rogers <zulander@netsonic.fi>
Subject: Re: [PAF] mail list - discussion group?
Thomas C Boelling wrote:
>
> Correction, Ed! There are six. I had one, but noone hardly signed up. I
> guess this list was the most active. I've given up my list which was at :
> PAFusers@uplinktech.net I owned the list. There was one other member on
> it besides myself, so I went to your list. I have even advertised it on
> my web page (since then changed to reflect to your mail list for mailing
> instructions). The referenced page could be found at
> http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1956/mailist.htm
Wow! Thanks for the info and support!
>
> I hope that web traffic has increased your mail list.
It has :)
>
> It never occurred to me that Rootsweb had any mail lists.
I did a web search and found them.
Seeya!
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:06:23 +0000
From: "Alice Harris" <akh@molalla.net>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Re: How to enter relationship
> This sounds as if you are saying one man can be sealed to TWO sets of
> parents?
>
> Cheryl
They can if they are deceased and weren't sealed in life. I hada
similarquestion come up with an ancestor of mine who had adopted her
brother's child upon the death of his wife. The child was the only
child of both women and I didn't know who to seal her to.
I called SL and was told to seal her to both, the decision of which
sealing to accept would be made by the child but the ordinances
had to be done here, of course.
Alice
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