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paf-digest V1998 #37
paf-digest Saturday, August 8 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 037
In this issue:
[PAF] Lessons about spam
Re: [PAF] Do You Cut Hard Materials?
Re: [PAF] remove
[PAF] All of your requests for REMOVE
Re: [PAF] All of your requests for REMOVE
[PAF] Re. SPAM Mail.
[PAF] Re. SPAM Do You Cut Hard Materials? Message.
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:06:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Justin Masters "jmasters@pcocd2.intel.com" <jmasters@pcocd2.intel.com>
Subject: [PAF] Lessons about spam
The bulk of the 1111 lines I got in PAF digest consisted of replies to a
spammed message. I concur with the one person who asked that everyone
please stop replying!!!
I'm going to attempt to educate many of you about spammers. If you
don't want to read, please delete. You might as well learn if you
don't know. I hate spammers as well. (There's even a web address
below!)
For the record, spam coming through mailing lists often has the headers
being changed so that replies go back to the mailing list. (Well, we
see that now, right?)
So now people hopefully will not automatically respond to the list.
Someone looks through the mail message headers and sees another address and
fires off the remove message to them. Chances are that this email address
was forged anyway. Hopefully it's a non-existant account, and you'll get
a bounced message back saying so. It may be some poor soul who now gets
50,000,000 messages back from everyone else asking to be removed, or
sending flame mail re: the spam.
If it so happens that a REAL address/phone number of a legitimate
business is given (and were likely sucked into paying the spammer
based on hype of new business), then call the business and explain
that you don't appreciate their spam. This one had a 1-800 number, so
it's on their dime. If it's a tawdry place, they'll now have your
phone number when you call anyway (1-800 numbers allow this)
What this does is cost the business even more money, and subsequently
drives repeat business away from the spammers.
For those who really like to reply anyway, let me give you some insight into
spammers. They sell their services by promising to send mail to X numbers
of addresses. They rarely put in their own email address, therefore, you'll
not be able to reach them. But let's assume they leave their real address.
Your removal request (for unscrupulous people) represents a WARM BODY and a
GOOD EMAIL ADDRESS for them to send more spam to, since you actually READ
the mail.
The best thing to do is to do nothing. Until laws are passed banning it and
have teeth to the law, spammers have a cost of nearly $0.00 to send out mail
in bulk, and they'll continue to do so.
The object for you is to avoid having your address grabbed in a myriad of ways.
If you post to USENET news, you're going to DEFINITELY get spam, UNLESS you
purposefully mess with your outgoing address and putting in obvious
text that will help people who really care to reply. email addresses are
also sucked (harken back to Ross Perot for sound effects) from the BODY of
the email messages. How often to you put a little thing at the bottom of your
mail messages saying who you are, your email address, maybe a phone number or
address and a cute saying like "I am my grandmother's grandchild?" (with
apologies to Dr. Laura, her critics, etc. But it fits with genealogists. :-)
You see, spammers don't bother hand entering these addresses in, they are
vacuumed in by the millions! Some even go back and search old archives from
deja-news and grab old addresses from there. This is to get more
addresses of people before lots of people started putting in
"my_address@no_spam.real_domain" in their munged address fields and in
the text of their postings...
How many have web pages? (hands are raised) Good. There are automated
programs that cruise the web called spider-bots (or "bots"). Their purpose
is to search out and collect information. The good intent is to catalog
stuff for search engines.
However, spammers have used this same technique to again vacuum email
addresses off of the web pages. ie. "Please contact me at
seeme@myhome.com"
One way to get around that is to have a web page with this info on it
that has a fill-in form, requiring someone to push a button to go
further to the web page that is hidden from the web. (ask you ISP how
to get hidden web pages if they support that capability via firewalls)
If your ISP has the firewall, ask if they stop bots from traveling
through and cataloging stuff.
They also grab your name via replies.
There are web pages out there about dealing with spam. I don't have
the addresses, but search them out. Aw heck.. Use this address:
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=anti-spam
Summary:
1. Don't reply to lists (look at mail headers to see if it came via
the list.
2. Expect the return address to be fake
3. Replying may alert them to you anyway - they don't care if you're
inconvenienced. Some put your name on even more lists.
4. If a legitimate address/phone is found, tell them (nicely) not to
send any more mail. (thousands can overwhelm these businesses).
5. Be concious of how your email address is collected. Consider
using a "free account" for posting to usenet news and receiving
spam, leaving good accounts spam-free.
6. Recognize that technology is used for good purposes, and bad for
those who wish to get ahead of others via abuse with it.
This lesson brought to you by the letter "O" and "B".... and the
number "4". (do I have kids or what? :-)
Justin
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Justin Masters (Sr. Cad Engineer - Design Automation) PH: 916-356-6735
Intel Corp. FM5-94 FAX: 916 356-7874
1900 Prairie City Rd, Folsom, CA 95630 jmasters@pcocd2.intel.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:06:13 -0700
From: "Lois Vining" <lois@terragon.com>
Subject: Re: [PAF] Do You Cut Hard Materials?
remove
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lois Vining <lois@terragon.com>
To: paf@innernet.org <paf@innernet.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [PAF] Do You Cut Hard Materials?
remove
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lois Vining <lois@terragon.com>
To: paf@innernet.org <paf@innernet.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [PAF] Do You Cut Hard Materials?
remove
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From: success0104@mailcity.com <success0104@mailcity.com>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 2:00 PM
Subject: [PAF] Do You Cut Hard Materials?
>Greetings,
>
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>The message is sent in pre-compliance with Senate Bill 1618 Section 301,
Paragraphs
>(a) (2) (A,B,C).
>
>For additional information see:
>http://www.senate.gov/~murkowski/commercialemail/EMailAmendText.html
>
>If this message reached you in error, please forgive the intrusion. Any
further
>transmissions to you may be stopped at no cost to you by sending a reply to
this e-
>mail with the word 'Remove' in the subject line.
>
>Message initiator:
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:48:01 EDT
From: KMoor21076@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAF] remove
Remove
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:36:21 +0300
From: Ed Rogers <zulander@netsonic.fi>
Subject: [PAF] All of your requests for REMOVE
I have this mailing list programmed to look for many words that would
make a mail sent to this list by anyone to be considered unwated
advertising or spam. On this list it was my mistake not to include VISA
when I included visa. You see, it was looking for a "lower-case" visa
and not the upper one so it passed through the screen. So, when all of
you reply to this mailing list asking to be removed you are in fact
doing nothing at all to help the situation only prolongingthe pain we
all have here on this list. ::grins::
Now, I have been away on vacation and as soon as I got back I sent the
originator of this spam/ad message and asked for our mailing list to be
removed from their distribution list.
So, please don't reply and I am doing all I can to filter out these
unwanted mails. To-date I have filtered out since July 1 (I have logs)
27 seperate SPAM messages.
Take care all and please let's focus again on the PAF instead of Remove!
Thanks and God Bless,
- -Ed
Your Friendly List Owner
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:11:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: [PAF] All of your requests for REMOVE
On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Ed Rogers wrote:
> I have this mailing list programmed to look for many words that would
> make a mail sent to this list by anyone to be considered unwated
> advertising or spam. On this list it was my mistake not to include VISA
> when I included visa. You see, it was looking for a "lower-case" visa
> and not the upper one so it passed through the screen. So, when all of
And may G*d help us all if someone wants to ask how to enter a US v*sa as
a source!
Cheryl
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:43:19 +0100
From: Fred MacKay <fmackay@bigfoot.com>
Subject: [PAF] Re. SPAM Mail.
Ref. PAF News V1998#035/7.
Hi! There Ed,
I refer to the message from <success0104@mailcity.com> in digest
V1998#035, and which is unadulterated SPAM.
I believe that someone from the list may be interested in these
products, but we are a list having PAF in its various forms, as it's
subject.
Please take this matter up with the list owner of this site to have them
removed from this ISP's list?
<<Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:48:31 +0200
From: success0104@mailcity.com
Subject: [PAF] Do You Cut Hard Materials? >>
Best wishes,
Fred MacKay.
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Soe longe as there comes noe women they are not fixed.
Captain Francis Wheler, R.N., H.M.S. Tiger 1864.
E-Mail:- fmackay@bigfoot.com
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:20:20 +0100
From: Fred MacKay <fmackay@bigfoot.com>
Subject: [PAF] Re. SPAM Do You Cut Hard Materials? Message.
Hi! There Folks,
We all have seen what one Spam message can do by now.
I receive the digest and received the original plus twelve repeats in
the next digest.
Please note that most Spam messages are set-up to be self-perpetuating
and most frustrating.
First the message was not sent direct to you, but the list.
By hitting the reply button it was sent back to the list, plus you.
When you receive any message which seems to be kind to you giving you a
choice to remove yourself from there list, will do just what was done to
the list.
If you want to send it back to the sender, make sure you have an
anti-spam filter in the system, or just ignore it.
Once these guys get a hold of your own address they will re-send it to
you and also they will send your address to others who are spamming.
The best way of dealing with this type of mail is ignore it, or if it
came to you on a list, then send a copy of the heading only to the list
owner asking him to sort it out.
The same goes for Virus hoaxes.
Go to the likes of Cindi's page to see what to do with Virus messages.
Better still, go to Cindi's page and read it now and be prepared for the
next batch of messages.
They have about a three months cycle of going round the lists, so
please, please, please don't do anything about Spam or virus messages.
Like chain letters, they stop when they are ignored.
Best wishes,
Fred MacKay.
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Captain Francis Wheler, R.N., H.M.S. Tiger 1864.
E-Mail:- fmackay@bigfoot.com
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