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paf-digest Saturday, May 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 012
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Re: PAF: (no subject)
Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
PAF: RDF
Re: PAF: Fw: Win 98 software
PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
Re: PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
PAF: Re:
PAF: Re: Re:
Re: PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
Re: PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
PAF: Re: PAF (for MAC) sharing
PAF: Companion question
PAF: RE: paf-digest V1 #11
PAF: ITALIAN FASHION - highly specialised courses
Re: PAF: The Digest List is ready!!!!
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:24:40 EDT
From: JBURCH523 <JBURCH523@aol.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: (no subject)
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:20:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
One of the FHCs in the Washington DC suburbs uses RDF. Can't get much
cheaper than that. (g) If you're interested in details, ask
don.wilson@ngs.pcbuddy.com -- I think that's the center, but I could be
wrong.
Cheryl
On Tue, 19 May 1998, Peter Van Schaik wrote:
> >> > From: Terri Shea <mshea@truelink.net>
> >> > Subject: software
> >> > Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 7:12 PM
> >> >
> >> > Just wondering if anyone knew of any good software for inventory in a
> >> > Family History Library. We have a list from Salt Lake of 8 different
> >> > companies but it hasn't been updated in about 5 years. If you know of a
> >> > good inventory program or currently use one in your FHL, I would
> >> > appreciate you letting me know. Low cost is important.
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Terri
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:31:46 -0500
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
>One of the FHCs in the Washington DC suburbs uses RDF.
That's using from the PAF 2.31. I liked this little nugget program. You
can create just about any inventory system. Much thanks to Joan Lowrey's
book "Armchair guide to PAF 2.31". She gave excellent starting examples
in the book. I like to thank her for getting me started on that section.
I got 20 some databases set up (Genealogy and non-genealogy related
little databases).
I just wished PAF 3.0 has this included when they were working on it. Or
at least rework it so it was a little easier to retreive and longer
fieldnames.
Or one could get a cheap inventory program at the computer supply store.
Something from Swift or expert software should carry something like that
for around 10.00.
Tom
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:32:35
From: Joan Lowrey <jlowrey@connectnet.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Tom,
I appreciated seeing your message on RDF, and thank you for the kind words
about my book and the RDF section. I hope you don't mind, but I am
forwarding it to SLC, as Ray Madsen always tells me that RDF is worthless
and I amd the only one who likes it or ever uses it. They just never
understood it there, I'm afraid.
I asked once who wrote it, and was told the bought it from the author, but
I wasn;t given a name. It is so simple than anyone can use it, and was FREE
essentially. I also wish they had added more to it, but it was probably
written in some now-defunct language, so it would take a complete rewrite.
Still it should be do-able, and so worthwhile to all of us. But since
surely we are seeing the END of DOS software, maybe the NEXT PAF revision
will address this need. Maybe. (I personally like some of my DOS software
better than the Windows versions though. Oh well.)
I sure need to get a new PAF book out. Just wish PAF 3.0 didn't have so
many problems.
Joan
At 09:31 AM 5/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>One of the FHCs in the Washington DC suburbs uses RDF.
>
>That's using from the PAF 2.31. I liked this little nugget program. You
>can create just about any inventory system. Much thanks to Joan Lowrey's
>book "Armchair guide to PAF 2.31". She gave excellent starting examples
>in the book. I like to thank her for getting me started on that section.
>I got 20 some databases set up (Genealogy and non-genealogy related
>little databases).
>
>I just wished PAF 3.0 has this included when they were working on it. Or
>at least rework it so it was a little easier to retreive and longer
>fieldnames.
>
>
>Or one could get a cheap inventory program at the computer supply store.
>Something from Swift or expert software should carry something like that
>for around 10.00.
>Tom
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:19:24 -0500
From: Lynn Pierce Appling <lynnintn@netten.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Joan & all, You need to wait to see what Win98 will do to all of us.
From some of the calls that I have received as a computer tech - I am
not looking forward to it. I did not think that I would like Win95 -
hated Win3.1 - loved DOS - I am just WAITING.... I use my excell for my
inventory on my research.
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Lynn In TN aka Lynn Pierce Appling
send mailto:lynnintn@netten.net
+ - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
Check out The Appling Family Page -
http://www.netten.net/~lynnintn/
Webmaster of: Crockett County TN webpage =
http://www.rootsweb.com/~tncrocke/
TN Gen Society webpage =
http://www.crosswinds.net/memphis/~tngen/
Tishomingo County H & G Society webpage =
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/1038
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I am presently researching the following surnames:
APPLING - ASHCRAFT - McCAN[D]LESS - SEAGO/SEGO
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:50:09 EDT
From: Sclahr <Sclahr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
Hello
I must tell you all that I loved RDF also. I now have PAF 3.0m and sure do
wish I could go back to my PAF 2.31. I miss the RDF. Hope someone can talk
them into giving it back.
Sincerely
Carol
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:41:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: PAF: Fw: FHC software
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Sclahr wrote:
> Hello
>
> I must tell you all that I loved RDF also. I now have PAF 3.0m and sure do
> wish I could go back to my PAF 2.31. I miss the RDF. Hope someone can talk
> them into giving it back.
>
> Sincerely
> Carol
FOR THE RECORD: those of you who adore RDF can still use it. Just copy
the .exe out of your old 2.31 or 2.2 directory into its own little
directory. Remember to get to it, you had to be in C:\PAF and then type
RDF. You couldn't get there from inside FR anyway.
Cheryl
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:31:42
From: Joan Lowrey <jlowrey@connectnet.com>
Subject: PAF: RDF
If you are using PAF 3.0, you can still use the old RDF. It is a
stand-alone program. If you want to GEDCOM any of the RDF data (from both
.doc and .dat files) into PAF 3.0, you can still use John Barron's RDF2GED
program.
SLC feels that PAF 3.0 can do all that RDF can do. Indeed, focus has more
fields now, and the database size is a million. BUT, you can't focus on
unlimited events and print out precise lists of who has those events, and
in date order, place order, etc.
BTW, those who want more in the notes field can create text files in their
word processor, and just put the file name in the RDF notes field. Then
when you want to read all the notes for that record, shell to DOS and read
the file. You can have the whole will, deed, etc. at your finger tips.
Joan Lowrey
At 02:50 PM 5/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hello
>
>I must tell you all that I loved RDF also. I now have PAF 3.0m and sure do
>wish I could go back to my PAF 2.31. I miss the RDF. Hope someone can talk
>them into giving it back.
>
>Sincerely
>Carol
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:34:46 -0500
From: tomboelling@juno.com (Thomas C Boelling)
Subject: Re: PAF: Fw: Win 98 software
I heard some of the same rumors. I hated windows 95, loved win 3.1. not
so sure I want Win98. Seems the scuttlebutt is its going to be a true 32
bit app and once you install you can't go back to windows 95.
Just when I got used to windows 95 after a year now, I had to go the
route since There wasn't going to be any DOS or Windows 3.x app anymore.
Just wonder how PAF contributors are going to take this... probably not
lying down at all if there are going to be more bugs.
Thanks Joan, for the tip of copying/moving RDF to the PAF3 directory.
Never cross my mind of doing that. I knew you could do some kind of
manipulation of files somewhere, now it's a cinch to add another trick
that we could fool PAF 3.0 with.
I had heard somewhere that these 3rd party vendors had to buy the source
code to work with PAF 2.31 and earlier to provide us consumers with
shareware. Wonder if the same holds true for PAF 3.0 to get other 3rd
party software going to provide support.
Tom
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:53:55 +0300 (EEST)
From: Ed Rogers <zulander@nalle.netsonic.fi>
Subject: PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
This is for all of you :)
- -Ed
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:11:09 -0700
From: norgni <norgni@gte.net>
To: ed.rogers@bigfoot.com
Subject: PAF3
Hi
I was told that you might be able to help me.
I want to move my data file from PAF3 to my wp
either wordpad, or MS works. Then I want to use
portions of the file for internet postings. I
tried to create a floppy, but when I opened in it,
it went back to the non-text PAF program, from
which of course I cannot highlight, copy, past and
print.
I also would like to create a GEDCOM file, with
portions of my PAF3 data file, and then send it as
an attachment to e-mail. I tried this, and opened
the floppy to see if it had the right data, and it
triggered Family Tree Maker, which I also have,
but I have not entered in data in FTW.
Can you help me on these 2 matters. If so, would
you be very specific, so that I can understand and
follow your instructions.
Thank you so much,
Ron Yielding
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 06:02:11 -0500
From: Lynn Pierce Appling <lynnintn@netten.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
If you want to send info in e-mail - You can do the following:
(1) go to print from PAF - change the printer to print to file.
(2) name the file and remember the location that you put the file - can
be on a floppy.
(3) go to your wp program - open the file that you have created.
(4) Now - cut & paste to your heart's content.
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Lynn In TN aka Lynn Pierce Appling
send mailto:lynnintn@netten.net
+ - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
Check out The Appling Family Page -
http://www.netten.net/~lynnintn/
Webmaster of: Crockett County TN webpage =
http://www.rootsweb.com/~tncrocke/
TN Gen Society webpage = http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngs/
Tishomingo County H & G Society webpage =
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/1038
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I am presently researching the following surnames:
APPLING - ASHCRAFT - McCAN[D]LESS - SEAGO/SEGO
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:24:05 -0600
From: Ileen Johnson <ileenj@sisna.com>
Subject: PAF: Re:
I received your message with "subscribe" in the body of the message. I have subscribed
to several newsletters in the past few days, and also am beginning to publish a small
newsletter of my own for family history center people.
Is your message confirmation that I subscribed to the PAF newsletter?
> Teresa & Dan Ballard wrote:
>
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:35:47 -0500
From: "Teresa & Dan Ballard" <tballard@enid.com>
Subject: PAF: Re: Re:
Eileen - my message of "subscribe" is not a confirmation that you subscribed
to anything. I just discovered the "lists" and attempted to subscribe
myself, I don't know how you received my message. I'm totally overwhelmed
by all this and thinking about unsubscribing to things like the GenNewbie
and PAF mailing lists. Good luck!!
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From: Ileen Johnson <ileenj@sisna.com>
To: paf@innernet.org <paf@innernet.org>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 6:52 AM
Subject: PAF: Re:
>I received your message with "subscribe" in the body of the message. I
have subscribed
>to several newsletters in the past few days, and also am beginning to
publish a small
>newsletter of my own for family history center people.
>
>Is your message confirmation that I subscribed to the PAF newsletter?
>
>> Teresa & Dan Ballard wrote:
>>
>> subscribe
>
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:57:22 +0000
From: Winifred Tanges <wtanges@erols.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
Lynn Pierce Appling wrote:
>
> If you want to send info in e-mail - You can do the following:
> (1) go to print from PAF - change the printer to print to file.
> (2) name the file and remember the location that you put the file - can
> be on a floppy.
> (3) go to your wp program - open the file that you have created.
> (4) Now - cut & paste to your heart's content.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Lynn In TN aka Lynn Pierce Appling
> send mailto:lynnintn@netten.net
> + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
> Check out The Appling Family Page -
> http://www.netten.net/~lynnintn/
> Webmaster of: Crockett County TN webpage =
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tncrocke/
> TN Gen Society webpage = http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngs/
> Tishomingo County H & G Society webpage =
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/1038
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I am presently researching the following surnames:
> APPLING - ASHCRAFT - McCAN[D]LESS - SEAGO/SEGO
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Lynn, I have a Mac and I have tried everything you said about cut &
paste for e-mail. I cannot find the print function that says change the
printer to print file. I have tried to make gedcom and cannot do that
either. I'm going nutso trying to get info to friends on the net.
Anything more primary for the uninitiated? Wini Tanges
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:01:39 -0500
From: Lynn Pierce Appling <lynnintn@netten.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: PAF3 (fwd)
Surely there is a function to change the printer - this is probably
where you would have to do the change. I am not familiar with Macs so
maybe a call to SLC would help.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lynn In TN aka Lynn Pierce Appling
send mailto:lynnintn@netten.net
+ - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
http://www.netten.net/~lynnintn/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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APPLING - ASHCRAFT - McCAN[D]LESS - SEAGO/SEGO
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:15:15 EDT
From: Cliffpoint <Cliffpoint@aol.com>
Subject: PAF: Re: PAF (for MAC) sharing
In a message dated 5/21/98 11:49:50 AM EST, wtanges@erols.com writes:
Wini Tanges wrote:
> Lynn, I have a Mac and I have tried everything you said about cut &
> paste for e-mail. I cannot find the print function that says change the
> printer to print file. I have tried to make gedcom and cannot do that
> either. I'm going nutso trying to get info to friends on the net.
> Anything more primary for the uninitiated? Wini Tanges
>
Wini,
The Mac PAF is a completely different program from DOS PAF. Although
there are similarities, don't expect everything they say about the DOS side to
apply.
To create a GEDCOM file, use the Export command under the File menu. I
highly recommend a little bit of reading of the manual to help you through
this process. Write me if you need more help.
You cannot redirect your printer output directly to a text file, because
the Mac doesn't print just text, it prints things in a graphical format that
looks a whole lot better. The PC people using PAF Companion would run into
the same problem, if, for some reason, they decided they had to save their
graphical printout to a text file. There are other file formats (notable
Postscript) that you can save things to, but these may be less usable in
sending things to your cousins via e-mail.
However, there are still a lot of options. For those reports which are
mostly just lists (see the last menu item under the "Print" menu), you can
click on the box that says "Show on Screen First" (I think--I don't have my
Mac right in front of me). When the list is shown to you, you can then click
on the "Save to Disk" button to save that list to a disk file--very nice.
This works for focus groups, custom reports, ordinance lists, etc.
It is still difficult, however to generate a text list of ancestors (the
"Ahnentafel Chart") or a text list of descendants (the "Descendants List").
For the latter, I have developed an "Extra" that works with MacPAF 2.3.1 (you
are using the latest version, right?) called "Descendants to File" which will
produce a text file. As soon as I get some free time (HAH!) I will probably
do an "Ancestors to File" Extra to cover the other case.
If you (or anybody out there using MacPAF) want to download the Extra,
you can check out the web page at:
http://members.aol.com/cliffpoint
The download is free; I just ask that you let me know that you are using
it. For you (few) Mac users out there, there are actually six new Extras on
this page, with more to come. Be sure to also get the "Extras Handler", which
allows MacPAF to have more than the standard Extras.
Hope this helps, and doesn't bore the DOS PAF users. We like our PAF,
too, and share a lot in common. If any Mac users want more info on MacPAF,
you can probably mail to me directly; I'll try to summarize items of general
interest to this list.
Karl B. Young
cliffpoint@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:17:41 EST
From: "Joan Raney" <raneyj@Rex.queens.edu>
Subject: PAF: Companion question
I was attempting to print out a family group sheet from PAF Companion
last night. The family group had unnkown parents, but children.
Thus, I couldn't figure out how to print out the family group. I
couldn't figure out how to get Companion to select by MRIN. I ended
up going into PAF and printing it.
Is there a way to print a family group when the parents are unknown?
Joan Raney
Charlotte, NC
raneyj@rex.queens.edu
oviattj@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:38:15 -0700
From: Joan and Charlie <jimig@slonet.org>
Subject: PAF: RE: paf-digest V1 #11
You can copy and paste from PAF if it is configured to do so. Right click on the PAF icon, click on properties, click the screen tab, under usage click window. Now you can use mark and copy icons which puts the selected info on the clip board and you can paste it into another PAF screen or to any program such as e-mail or a word processor. This works in Windows 95. I'm not certain about others.
Joan
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:39:11 -0700
From: norgni <norgni@gte.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: Gedcom File
I would like to be able to copy from PAF and paste into e-mail
messages so I don't have to copy my data with each posting. PAF doesn't have copy, cut and paste commands.
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Ron
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:02:43 +0200
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