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paf-digest Wednesday, May 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 011
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PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
PAF: Gedcom File
PAF: (no subject)
Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
PAF: PAF 3.0m waste space
Re: PAF: PAF 3.0m waste space
Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
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PAF: Fw: FHC software
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:33:41 +0300
From: Ed Rogers <zulander@netsonic.fi>
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My trouble began when I bought a new computer and installed my PAF 3.0
on it. When I go to Utility and try to restore my data files from my
Backup copy . I bring up List Files and press F1 to continue. I get a
message which says remove disk and put in Disk #2 which contains file
name.B00 which I don't have. Is there any way I can restore my data
files?
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:50:05 -0400
From: Sandy <8771@cheerful.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
2.31 backup files won't restore to 3.0. There is a built in utility, or
you can gedcom them out of 2.31 and into 3.0 and that works, too. But if
they are already on your C drive, use the built in utility (which is
kind of automatic).
Sandy
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:38:37 -0700
From: norgni <norgni@gte.net>
Subject: PAF: Gedcom File
My data is on PAF 3 and all is well. I also have
Family Tree Maker but I have not entered any data.
1. Can I transfer data from PAF to FTW, without
have to re-enter it all?
2. When I try to make a Gedcom file in PAF,
when I try to open the floppy to view it, it
triggers the FTW program, which has no data in it.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
Ron Yielding
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:16:40 -0400
From: nannyc@landmarknet.net (Margaret A. Chute -1)
Subject: PAF: (no subject)
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:39:13 -0400
From: Sandy <8771@cheerful.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: Gedcom File
1. Family Tree Maker operates similarly to PAF 3.0. You just tell it
where your data is an it imports it. No gedcom needed, and definitely
don't type your data in again. I have the FTM program but I can't get
my data into it. I got my friend's data into his, so it's not something
I am doing wrong. Perhaps my database is too big.
2. After you save it, why would you want to view it? It's not pretty.
Sandy
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:39:11 -0700
From: norgni <norgni@gte.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Thanks.
I wanted to open the floppy before I sent the gedcom, to see if I had copied the
correct files in PAF. I guess I am confused on how to gedcom just selected
generation rins. I would like to be able to copy from PAF and paste into e-mail
messages so I don't have to copy my data with each posting. PAF doesn't have
copy, cut and paste commands.
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Ron
Sandy wrote:
> 1. Family Tree Maker operates similarly to PAF 3.0. You just tell it
> where your data is an it imports it. No gedcom needed, and definitely
> don't type your data in again. I have the FTM program but I can't get
> my data into it. I got my friend's data into his, so it's not something
> I am doing wrong. Perhaps my database is too big.
>
> 2. After you save it, why would you want to view it? It's not pretty.
>
> Sandy
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:52:22 -0500
From: Lynn Pierce Appling <lynnintn@netten.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: Gedcom File
If you will use the print function and change the print to a file - you
will have to name the file and location to put the info. Then you can
open it with any wp program - even notepad. From this you can cut and
paste to an e-mail.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lynn In TN aka Lynn Pierce Appling
send mailto:lynnintn@netten.net
+ - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
Check out The Appling Family Page -
http://www.netten.net/~lynnintn/
Webmaster of: Crockett County TN webpage =
http://www.rootsweb.com/~tncrocke/
TN Gen Society webpage =
http://www.crosswinds.net/memphis/~tngen/
Tishomingo County H & G Society webpage =
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/1038
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I am presently researching the following surnames:
APPLING - ASHCRAFT - McCAN[D]LESS - SEAGO/SEGO
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:07:49 -0700
From: norgni <norgni@gte.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: Gedcom File
Thanks:
I am having trouble with the location. The help says put it in C:\PAF3. When I
try to open this from Explorer, i go back to the PAF screen. The same happens
when I try via wordpad or MS Works.
I am not very computer literate. Should the location be my word processor?
Ron
Lynn Pierce Appling wrote:
> If you will use the print function and change the print to a file - you
> will have to name the file and location to put the info. Then you can
> open it with any wp program - even notepad. From this you can cut and
> paste to an e-mail.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Lynn In TN aka Lynn Pierce Appling
> send mailto:lynnintn@netten.net
> + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
> Check out The Appling Family Page -
> http://www.netten.net/~lynnintn/
> Webmaster of: Crockett County TN webpage =
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tncrocke/
> TN Gen Society webpage =
> http://www.crosswinds.net/memphis/~tngen/
> Tishomingo County H & G Society webpage =
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/1038
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I am presently researching the following surnames:
> APPLING - ASHCRAFT - McCAN[D]LESS - SEAGO/SEGO
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:23:45 -0500
From: Lynn Pierce Appling <lynnintn@netten.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: Gedcom File
norgni wrote:
> I am having trouble with the location. The help says put it in C:\PAF3. When I
> try to open this from Explorer, i go back to the PAF screen. The same happens
> when I try via wordpad or MS Works.
> I am not very computer literate. Should the location be my word processor?
You can change the location by tabbing with the Tab key --> [above the caps lock
key] and change the location. You can put it on a floppy by changing the drive to
A:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lynn In TN aka Lynn Pierce Appling
send mailto:lynnintn@netten.net
+ - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
Check out The Appling Family Page -
http://www.netten.net/~lynnintn/
Webmaster of: Crockett County TN webpage = http://www.rootsweb.com/~tncrocke/
TN Gen Society webpage = http://www.crosswinds.net/memphis/~tngen/
Tishomingo County H & G Society webpage =
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/1038
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am presently researching the following surnames:
APPLING - ASHCRAFT - McCAN[D]LESS - SEAGO/SEGO
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:11:29 EDT
From: Mlharline <Mlharline@aol.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: Gedcom File
In a message dated 98-05-18 10:38:52 EDT, you write:
>
> 1. Can I transfer data from PAF to FTW, without
> have to re-enter it all?
>
Yes, but you may need a GEDCOM file. FTM will read PAF 2.31 files directly
without a GEDCOM file. I am not sure whether the latest version will read PAF
3.0 files.
> 2. When I try to make a Gedcom file in PAF,
> when I try to open the floppy to view it, it
> triggers the FTW program, which has no data in it.
> What am I doing wrong?
You aren't doing anything wrong. My Windows 95 seems to think that any file
with the .ged extension is a FTM file. If you just want to look at the GEDCOM
file, go into an editor or word processor to look at it. It appears that
whatever you did to open the floppy, your computer assumed you wanted to put
it into FTM and so it opened FTM for you.
If you want to put the data from the GEDCOM file into FTM, then follow the
directions in FTM to open a GEDCOM file. You may want to print the
instructions in the Help file if the manual isn't clear. I just tried to do
it with FTM version 4.0. It ignored all PRE-1970 dates and I couldn't find
the notes. Perhaps I didn't do something right. I don't really use FTM; I
have a copy to review for my newsletter. I find FTM good for calendars, etc.,
but very hard to keep track of ancestors.
I hope this helps.
Mary Lou Harline
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:11:30 EDT
From: Mlharline <Mlharline@aol.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
In a message dated 98-05-18 09:54:13 EDT, you write:
>
> 2.31 backup files won't restore to 3.0. There is a built in utility, or
> you can gedcom them out of 2.31 and into 3.0 and that works, too. But if
> they are already on your C drive, use the built in utility (which is
> kind of automatic).
>
It is really better to GEDCOM PAF 2.31 data into PAF 3.0 than to use the built
in utility (direct conversion). Some of the direct conversion problems were
fixed in PAF 3.0m but GEDCOM is still better. You probably should also run
the GEDWRAP program on your GEDCOM file before you import it into PAF 3.0.
One of the main advantages of GEDWRAP is to take out the "hard returns" in the
notes of PAF 2.31 and allow the line of the notes to print the full width of
the page, instead of just printing the 79 characters in the PAF 2.31 notes
line.
GEDWRAP was created by Ann Turner and is available from her Web site:
http://members.aol.com/APTurner/gedutils.htm
GEDWRAP only works on PAF 2.31 GEDCOM files. If you have your data in PAF
3.0, PAF3WRAP can be used to remove the hard returns from the notes lines.
I hope this helps.
Mary Lou Harline
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:34:35 -0700
From: Twylah Lemargie <twylee@netshel.net>
Subject: Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
Sandy wrote:
>
> 2.31 backup files won't restore to 3.0. There is a built in utility, or
> you can gedcom them out of 2.31 and into 3.0 and that works, too. But if
> they are already on your C drive, use the built in utility (which is
> kind of automatic).
>
> Sandy
>
I'm wondering if I might have a "different" problem and don't know it.
I upgraded from PAF 2.31 to PAF 3. and then 3.0M was entered over 3.
I didn't do anything with my data backups...I just entered the new
Paf's over the old ones. All reports say I should have done this by
gedcom (gedcom and I don't understand each other!). Everything 'looks'
all right and I have entered some new info. The only thing I can see
wrong is I did wrong when I indented my sentences in Notes "to make
them look nicer". Its all right on the screen but terrible when printed
out, so I am trying to correct all that as I go along. Another thing is
I just went on using the same backup disks and I hear that backups for
2.31 won't work if you want to restore to 3.0?? I may not be asking
the questions right..if not please ask me to try to clarify. Any help
much appreciated. Also, when I print out a family group sheet, the
printing is very small..is there a place in PAF to make it bigger..I
don't notice the small print anywhere else. Thank you.
Twylah Lemargie
mailto:twylee@netshel.net
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:35:04 +0800 PST
From: Bob_Sturgeon@bandmaster.portal.ca (Bob Sturgeon)
Subject: PAF: PAF 3.0m waste space
Hi ALL,
Sorry if this question has already been addressed but I have missed any
answers.
I am having a problem with PAF 3.0m not freeing up space when notes are
deleted. I have a database of 3600 names and when I converted from
Brother's Keeper via GEDCOM I inadvertently allowed all error messages
to go into PAF 3.0m as "notes". Now I am going through each record
deleting the "error messages" in the notes and in some cases leaving
some legitimate notes in place. I have now deleted over 600 of these
"error message" notes but my data base has not changed one byte in size!
It has stayed at 2,330,624 bytes ever since I started my cleanup
campaign. The size problem is more a nuisance and what strikes me as
poor design, if there is no automatic (or even manual) means of
reorganising the database to utilise wasted space.
However, what is becoming a major concern is that every time I save a
note that is not blank but that has a valid note in it, my computer
takes a lunch break. What I suspect is happening is that whenever a
note (new or old) is saved, the programme goes searching for empty holes
in the database and fills them first before adding to the end of the
database. Because I have so many holes this process is taking longer
and longer to accomplish. When I had only deleted 50 or so notes, the
time was only about 3 seconds to "save" the note when I pressed "F1".
Now, with 600 notes cleaned up, the time has risen to 25 seconds for
each valid note that I save! I shudder to think how long it will be
taking me to save a single note by the time I get up to 3000 or so empty
holes!
While I don't have a speed demon of a computer (386DX-40 with a fast
2.1gb Fujitsu hard drive) it has always been more than adequate. The
only time it has been very slow is in displaying "focus lists" (I
understand that this is a known problem) and now it has been getting
very bad writing notes. If memory serves me correct, I believe that
database organisation was a problem with PAF 2 and that was why the
programme "RECLAIM" was written. Is there any way that I can reorganise
my PAF 3.0m database? I have tried defragging my hard drive using both
VOPT and Norton Speed Disk with no improvement.
I am really reluctant to try and create a GEDCOM and then read it back
in to create a new database! The first and only time I read a Gedcom
into PAF 3.0m it took me over a month to fix up the mess it created with
my "source" records. I am still waiting to see if the programmers at
PAF can come up with an answer for me as to what happened ... I have
sent all my files and documentation in on that problem.
I certainly would appreciate hearing from anyone that has experienced
similar slowdowns as a result of the database becoming more and more
fragmented.
Bye for now ... Bob
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:35:35
From: Joan Lowrey <jlowrey@connectnet.com>
Subject: Re: PAF: PAF 3.0m waste space
At 08:35 PM 5/18/98 PST, you wrote:
>Hi ALL,
>
>Sorry if this question has already been addressed but I have missed any
>answers.
>
>I am having a problem with PAF 3.0m not freeing up space when notes are
>deleted...
>Bye for now ... Bob
That's correct. It doesn't. I had a very small database that I just
converted into PAF 3 instead of taking the time to gedcom it in as I should
have, and I ended up with fragments of notes from different people in
various other people's notes. I sent both databases (before and after) to
SLC, and received a call back explaining what was happening. The person
said they are aware of the problem and are working on fixing it.
There is a utility, NOTEFIX, by Jack Chandler, for PAF 2.x, but none for
3.0. NOTEFIX was written not for a problem with PAF but for a problem
created when certain utility programs were run on PAF notes, and those
utility programs didn't clear the notes when text was deleted. NOTEFIX went
in and cleared them. But you say you have sources in PAF 3.0, so gedcomming
back to PAF 2.31 to use NOTEFIX doesn't look like an option for you.
Joan Lowrey
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:48:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: PAF: [Fwd: restoring my files]
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Ummm, OK, it did't quote.
Re the message to insert disc with B001 on it: you're smarter than the
computer is: CREATE a file named b001.ged with the line 0 TRLR, then
insert that disc as asked.
Of course, it may be easier to simply edit the GEDCOM to include 0 TRLR,
but your choice. (g)
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My trouble began when I bought a new computer and installed my PAF 3.0
on it. When I go to Utility and try to restore my data files from my
Backup copy . I bring up List Files and press F1 to continue. I get a
message which says remove disk and put in Disk #2 which contains file
name.B00 which I don't have. Is there any way I can restore my data
files?
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:46:18 -0600
From: Peter Van Schaik <peter.van.schaik@T8000.com>
Subject: PAF: Fw: FHC software
>> > From: Terri Shea <mshea@truelink.net>
>> > Subject: software
>> > Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 7:12 PM
>> >
>> > Just wondering if anyone knew of any good software for inventory in a
>> > Family History Library. We have a list from Salt Lake of 8 different
>> > companies but it hasn't been updated in about 5 years. If you know of a
>> > good inventory program or currently use one in your FHL, I would
>> > appreciate you letting me know. Low cost is important.
>> > Thanks
>> > Terri
>
>
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